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09-12-07, 01:11 AM #1
American citizen murders Dutch civilian as a "war protest"
Disturbed anti-war protester can't find soldier, kills civilian with axe instead
Sep 11 12:52 PM US/Eastern
AMSTERDAM, Netherlands (AP) - A U.S. citizen has confessed to using an axe to kill a Dutch student after failing to find a soldier to attack, his lawyer said Tuesday.
The suspect, Carlos Hartmann, 41, of Tecumseh, Mich., has confessed to the Sept. 8 killing on a train platform in the southern city of Roosendaal, defence lawyer Peter Gremmen said.
Gremmen said Hartmann wanted to punish the Netherlands for its support of the war in Iraq.
Hartmann appeared before a judge Tuesday and was ordered held for another two weeks for investigation.
"He hates soldiers, and says that the army kills people, so it would be legitimate if he were also to kill someone . . . from the American military - or from its NATO allies," Gremmen said in a telephone interview.
When he failed to find a soldier at the Roosendaal train station, "he got such a crazy, disturbed idea that he killed a civilian," Gremmen said.
Hartmann did not attempt to escape and was arrested shortly after the killing.
Dutch prosecutors confirmed that the suspect had confessed but did not identify him or his victim, in keeping with Dutch practice.
Under the Dutch legal system, Hartmann was not required to enter a plea Tuesday.
Prosecution spokeswoman Martine Pilaar said her office was taken aback by the defence lawyer's willingness to disclose details of his case.
But Gremmen said he was only confirming details published by the local newspaper BN/De Stem. The paper's source was not named, and police declined to comment.
"I was also surprised when I saw the paper; I thought, this must be coming from the investigation," the lawyer said.
Gremmen said Hartmann has lived in the Netherlands since 2002, supporting himself with English editing work for a Japanese company, which he could do by computer, and that he had no fixed address.
He said Hartmann had consented to undergo psychological testing, and was now "terribly sorry for his deed."
The victim, identified as Thijs Geers, was waiting for a train and had no connection with the suspect or the military. Online condolence registers in the Netherlands were flooded with messages of sympathy for him and his family.
BN/De Stem quoted a witness who asked to remain anonymous as describing Hartmann as striking the victim in the back of the head with the axe. It also quoted an unidentified family member from the United States as saying Hartmann has suffered from emotional problems since his early 20s.
"It's a sad story," Gremmen said. "But I'm glad he's admitted what he's done and that he's sorry for it.""I'm not a coward,
I've just never been tested
I'd like to think that if I was,
I would pass"
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09-12-07, 01:21 AM #2
Why does this nutjob have to be from my state?
"Stupid should hurt."
09-12-07, 01:58 AM #3GrasshopperVerified LEO
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It is wrong to kill people, so I am going to kill someone...
Does that not make sense to anyone else?And Shepards we shall be,
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That our feet may swiftly carry out Thy Command.
So we shall flow a river forth to Thee
And teeming with souls will it ever be.
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09-12-07, 02:55 AM #4
Duh.Do not war for peace. If you must war, war for justice. For without justice there is no peace. -me
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09-12-07, 05:02 AM #5
This guy obviously has some serious issues...Calm Like A Bomb...
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If only he could deal with his issues without resorting to killing people. They said he admitted what he had done and said he was terribly sorry for it. Does that help the guy he axed? Or the man's family? However, that and being willing to undergo psychological testing WILL probably get him a reduced sentence and the sympathy of all those who hate war and soldiers.
09-12-07, 06:29 PM #7
The irony is that a Dutch filmaker was brutally murdered for making a film about Islamic violence against women....by an Islamic extremist.
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