Welcome to the APBWeb.
Page 1 of 2 1 2 LastLast
Results 1 to 20 of 21
  1. #1
    Buttercup's Avatar
    Buttercup is offline Thrives in sunshine
    Supporting Member Lvl 1
    Join Date
    04-29-06
    Location
    NJ
    Posts
    18,093
    Rep Power
    4329091

    Gunfire erupts at Cleveland high school

    Gunfire erupts at Cleveland high school

    16 minutes ago


    -AP


    A gunman opened fire in a downtown high school on Wednesday, and five people were taken to a hospital, the mayor said.
    Mayor Frank Jackson said three young people and two adults were hurt. SuccessTech Academy had been secured and there was only one suspect, he said.


    "They have the shooter," Jackson said. He did not elaborate.
    Ronnell Jackson, 15, said he saw the shooter running down a school hallway.
    "He was about to shoot me but I got out just in time," he said.
    Another student, Doneisha LeVert, said she heard the principal say "Code Blue" over the public address system, and the students started running. She said she hid in a closet with some of her friends.


    Students stood outside the building, many in tears and on cell phones. Family members also stood outside, anxiously waiting for their children to be released.
    "I'm scared. I'm hoping no more people got hurt," Jackson said.
    Tammy Mundy, 38, who has a son and daughter at the school, told The Plain Dealer of Cleveland that her daughter called when the shooting started.
    "She said, 'Mom they're shooting in here, kids are running out, I'm hiding in the closet,'" Mundy told the newspaper.
    Then she called her 18-year-old son, Darnell Rodgers, on his cell phone, and he told her he had been shot in the arm.
    "He said, 'Mom I got shot,'" Mundy told the newspaper.


    The small, alternative high school is in the center of downtown across from the FBI's offices and three blocks from where the Cleveland Browns play football. The school enrolls 240 students grades nine through 12 and emphasizes technology education. All the students are poor under federal poverty guidelines.




  2. #2
    bufford408's Avatar
    bufford408 is offline Just green and furry all over
    Join Date
    06-13-06
    Location
    R kin saw
    Posts
    948
    Rep Power
    268874
    I just don't understand it. What is this world coming to.
    The opinions of my posts are the sole responsibilty of my employer due to the fact that they have totally and completely warped my mind.



    .

  3. #3
    MonsterMash's Avatar
    MonsterMash is offline Proud 3%er
    Join Date
    05-04-06
    Posts
    1,040
    Rep Power
    3454276
    This is a tragic event, don't get me wrong. Prayers go out to all involved. However....has anyone else noticed that major shootings go on the rise before a major presidential election year? Last time they were this bad was right before the last assault weapons ban.
    Are you a 3%er? If you aren't, you should be.

  4. #4
    PapaBear's Avatar
    PapaBear is offline SgtCHP-Retired
    Join Date
    09-26-07
    Posts
    1,239
    Rep Power
    285239
    With the proliferation of weapons on the streets, kids don't think twice about using them to solve their persoan issues. The ironic thing is they do not see the reality of their actions becasue they compare them to the video games they play. Tragic, just tragic!
    Be courteous to all, but intimate with few, and let those few be well tried before you give them your confidence.
    [George Washington (1732 - 1799)]


  5. #5
    MacLean's Avatar
    MacLean is offline O/R Gun mod
    Verified LEO
    Super Moderator
    Join Date
    09-05-07
    Location
    Washington State
    Posts
    11,802
    Rep Power
    4584773
    Quote Originally Posted by PapaBear View Post
    With the proliferation of weapons on the streets, kids don't think twice about using them to solve their persoan issues. The ironic thing is they do not see the reality of their actions becasue they compare them to the video games they play. Tragic, just tragic!
    There were more weapons in schools when you went to high school than when these kids do.

    Don't buy into the "proliferation" argument boss, this has to do with social ills and social skills.

    According to Grossman, your video game analogy might be closer to the truth.
    I'm your huckleberry...

    Quemadmoeum gladis nemeinum occidit, occidentus telum est!

    You can be the weapon, and the gun in your hand is a tool - or the gun is a weapon and you are the tool.


    I was looking for a saint who was a devil of a lover,
    but every girl I found was either one way or the other...



  6. #6
    MacLean's Avatar
    MacLean is offline O/R Gun mod
    Verified LEO
    Super Moderator
    Join Date
    09-05-07
    Location
    Washington State
    Posts
    11,802
    Rep Power
    4584773
    Quote Originally Posted by MonsterMash View Post
    This is a tragic event, don't get me wrong. Prayers go out to all involved. However....has anyone else noticed that major shootings go on the rise before a major presidential election year? Last time they were this bad was right before the last assault weapons ban.
    I've noticed the shootings tend to be used that way politically, but not that they increase any.
    I'm your huckleberry...

    Quemadmoeum gladis nemeinum occidit, occidentus telum est!

    You can be the weapon, and the gun in your hand is a tool - or the gun is a weapon and you are the tool.


    I was looking for a saint who was a devil of a lover,
    but every girl I found was either one way or the other...



  7. #7
    bufford408's Avatar
    bufford408 is offline Just green and furry all over
    Join Date
    06-13-06
    Location
    R kin saw
    Posts
    948
    Rep Power
    268874
    Quote Originally Posted by maclean View Post
    There were more weapons in schools when you went to high school than when these kids do.

    Don't buy into the "proliferation" argument boss, this has to do with social ills and social skills.

    According to Grossman, your video game analogy might be closer to the truth.
    When I was in high school I used to take hunting trips on the weekends. I carried a shot gun on several occasions through school and would keep it in my locker. No one even thought twice about it. Nor would I have ever used it to hurt anyone. I have to say that Grossman(who is from Arkansas I might add) has a valid point. These kids sit in front of a video game all day killing everything in sight maybe that does have something to do with all this violence.
    The opinions of my posts are the sole responsibilty of my employer due to the fact that they have totally and completely warped my mind.



    .

  8. #8
    MacLean's Avatar
    MacLean is offline O/R Gun mod
    Verified LEO
    Super Moderator
    Join Date
    09-05-07
    Location
    Washington State
    Posts
    11,802
    Rep Power
    4584773
    Quote Originally Posted by bufford408 View Post
    When I was in high school I used to take hunting trips on the weekends. I carried a shot gun on several occasions through school and would keep it in my locker. No one even thought twice about it. Nor would I have ever used it to hurt anyone. I have to say that Grossman(who is from Arkansas I might add) has a valid point. These kids sit in front of a video game all day killing everything in sight maybe that does have something to do with all this violence.
    Exactly.
    I'm your huckleberry...

    Quemadmoeum gladis nemeinum occidit, occidentus telum est!

    You can be the weapon, and the gun in your hand is a tool - or the gun is a weapon and you are the tool.


    I was looking for a saint who was a devil of a lover,
    but every girl I found was either one way or the other...



  9. #9
    ex401mp's Avatar
    ex401mp is offline Was betrachten Sie?
    Verified LEO
    Join Date
    06-04-07
    Location
    Sw Florida
    Posts
    1,824
    Rep Power
    645327
    I know that when I was in high school in the 80's, it was nothing to see pick up trucks parked in the student and faculty parking lots with rifles and shotguns on the racks. Try that now and you get nailed with a felony in my state. Man, things sure have changed over the years.
    Only two defining forces have ever offered to die for you, Jesus Christ and the American G.I.
    One died for your soul, the other for your freedom. ~ Anon

    si hic carrus commovet non quaerete

    RIP Scott L. Roth- Pfc 1st Platoon,401st MP Co, KIA 12/20/89- Operation Just Cause- Not forgotten.
    ALWAYS FIRST!!!

  10. #10
    Pudge's Avatar
    Pudge is online now Site Admin
    Verified LEO
    Super Moderator
    Join Date
    12-04-05
    Location
    Ohio
    Posts
    10,320
    Rep Power
    8591417
    Quote Originally Posted by bufford408 View Post
    These kids sit in front of a video game all day killing everything in sight maybe that does have something to do with all this violence.
    I see it as a valid possibility, yet I'm still going to disagree. I would be more inclined to believe that today's pop culture is more to blame. More kids walking down the street wishing they just fell out of a music video are quick to recite lyrics to whatever rapper is popular at the time than you'll find reenacting their latest Halo or GTA kill.
    "Like" us on facebook! https://www.facebook.com/pages/Offic...93147194083228

    Follow members of O/R as they tweet a "Ride a long" on their shifts on the front page of the site and on twitter at the following links:

    www.twitter.com/PoliceRideAlong
    www.twitter.com/lewisipso
    www.twitter.com/ORgopher
    www.twitter.com/SecondChance122
    www.twitter.com/pojmm
    www.twitter.com/ORGIB

    The opinions given in my posts & threads DO NOT reflect the opinions, views, policies, and/or procedures of my employing agency. They are my personal opinions only, thereby releasing my agency of any liability, or involvement in anything posted under the username "Pudge" on Officerresource.com

  11. #11
    Hannibal's Avatar
    Hannibal is offline Zombie Killin' Sheepdog
    Verified LEO
    Join Date
    05-27-06
    Location
    Detroit
    Posts
    2,847
    Rep Power
    2067664
    Dave Grossman talks about the increase of school (and workplace) shootings. He seems pretty accurate with his predictions so far.

    He also discusses the influence of media and video games. He doesn't say they cause the violence per se, but suggests that the games produce 'better' results in acheiving body counts. I tend to agree.

    The only reasonable solution I see is to beef up the number school resource police officers and train school staff to recognize possible threats and what to do in an active shooter scenario.

    Just sad.

    "Stupid should hurt."

  12. #12
    Willowdared's Avatar
    Willowdared is offline Bendy not Breaky
    Join Date
    04-26-06
    Location
    San Diego
    Posts
    6,177
    Rep Power
    1401351
    Quote Originally Posted by bufford408 View Post
    I have to say that Grossman(who is from Arkansas I might add) has a valid point. These kids sit in front of a video game all day killing everything in sight maybe that does have something to do with all this violence.
    It's not the killing that is the problem (IMHO) it's that they get back up again after being killed.

    Or their car reappears after it crashes.

    Is it any wonder they can't imagine death as permanent?
    Molly Weasley makes Chuck Norris eat his vegetables.

    Do not puff, shade, skew, tailor, firm up, stretch, massage,
    or otherwise distort statements of fact.
    FBI Special Agent Coleen Rowley

  13. #13
    Roses's Avatar
    Roses is offline Member
    Join Date
    02-19-06
    Posts
    1,361
    Rep Power
    513351
    In the 70's and probably even the 60s, the Cleveland City schools had students carrying weapons (guns, knives) and they were killing other students. At that time the students were afraid to go to school because of the killings. Finally, those that brought weapons into the school suffered the consequences such as a suspension. Kids felt safer when they finally were able to go to school without being threatened or killed by a gun or a knife. Some of the schools installed metal detectors . I don't remember all of the news on those incidents nor what they did to the students who brought weapons to school. Killing in school has been going on before violent video games.
    http://img455.imageshack.us/img455/1369/rosekdrosetransp9fk2eb.gif

    A Smile

    A smile cost nothing, but gives so much.

    It enriches those who receive it,
    without making poorer those who give.
    It takes but a moment, but the memory
    of it sometimes lasts forever.

    None is so rich or mighty that he
    can get along without it,
    and none is so poor but that
    he can be made rich by it.

    A smile creates happiness in the home,
    fosters goodwill in business,
    and is the countersign of friendship.

    It brings rest to the weary,
    cheer to the discouraged, sunshine to the sad,
    and it is nature's best antidote for trouble.

    Yet it cannot be bought, begged, borrowed,
    or stolen, for it is something that is of no
    value to anyone until it is given away.

    Some people are too tired to give you a smile.
    Give them one of yours, as none needs a smile
    so much as he who has no more to give.

    - author unknown

  14. #14
    MacLean's Avatar
    MacLean is offline O/R Gun mod
    Verified LEO
    Super Moderator
    Join Date
    09-05-07
    Location
    Washington State
    Posts
    11,802
    Rep Power
    4584773
    Quote Originally Posted by Roses View Post
    Killing in school has been going on before violent video games.
    Grossman doesn't just lay blame to video games, but also points at the ideas mentioned above - immortality programming in such games and mass media like music, videos, etc.
    I'm your huckleberry...

    Quemadmoeum gladis nemeinum occidit, occidentus telum est!

    You can be the weapon, and the gun in your hand is a tool - or the gun is a weapon and you are the tool.


    I was looking for a saint who was a devil of a lover,
    but every girl I found was either one way or the other...



  15. #15
    PapaBear's Avatar
    PapaBear is offline SgtCHP-Retired
    Join Date
    09-26-07
    Posts
    1,239
    Rep Power
    285239
    Quote Originally Posted by maclean View Post
    There were more weapons in schools when you went to high school than when these kids do.

    Don't buy into the "proliferation" argument boss, this has to do with social ills and social skills.

    According to Grossman, your video game analogy might be closer to the truth.
    I went to high school in So. CA from 1954-1957 and in HI 1957-1958. The only weapons I ever saw were in the ROTC area and they would not fire. We never had a weapon used in school or did anyone carry a handgun in school. We all carried small pocket knives and they were not used to attack anyone.

    When I attended college the only weapons I was aware of were the ones carried by other LE students - and most of them were left locked in car trunks during classes. Never had a weapon used on any of the campuses I attended.
    Be courteous to all, but intimate with few, and let those few be well tried before you give them your confidence.
    [George Washington (1732 - 1799)]


  16. #16
    PapaBear's Avatar
    PapaBear is offline SgtCHP-Retired
    Join Date
    09-26-07
    Posts
    1,239
    Rep Power
    285239
    I forgot to add, when I attended school I had to walk five miles up hill each way, barefeet and in the snow!
    Be courteous to all, but intimate with few, and let those few be well tried before you give them your confidence.
    [George Washington (1732 - 1799)]


  17. #17
    MacLean's Avatar
    MacLean is offline O/R Gun mod
    Verified LEO
    Super Moderator
    Join Date
    09-05-07
    Location
    Washington State
    Posts
    11,802
    Rep Power
    4584773
    California may well have been a lot different, especially in the cities.

    There were guns in racks when I was in high school, in just about every truck during hunting season.

    Boys carrying rifles to school predates both of us was my point, and they weren't shooting each other frequently.
    I'm your huckleberry...

    Quemadmoeum gladis nemeinum occidit, occidentus telum est!

    You can be the weapon, and the gun in your hand is a tool - or the gun is a weapon and you are the tool.


    I was looking for a saint who was a devil of a lover,
    but every girl I found was either one way or the other...



  18. #18
    MacLean's Avatar
    MacLean is offline O/R Gun mod
    Verified LEO
    Super Moderator
    Join Date
    09-05-07
    Location
    Washington State
    Posts
    11,802
    Rep Power
    4584773
    Quote Originally Posted by PapaBear View Post
    I forgot to add, when I attended school I had to walk five miles up hill each way, barefeet and in the snow!

    LOL! You could only pull that off if you didn't say SoCal and HI already.
    I'm your huckleberry...

    Quemadmoeum gladis nemeinum occidit, occidentus telum est!

    You can be the weapon, and the gun in your hand is a tool - or the gun is a weapon and you are the tool.


    I was looking for a saint who was a devil of a lover,
    but every girl I found was either one way or the other...



  19. #19
    Roses's Avatar
    Roses is offline Member
    Join Date
    02-19-06
    Posts
    1,361
    Rep Power
    513351
    Here is a link that has a listing of some of the school killings in various areas.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/School_massacre
    http://img455.imageshack.us/img455/1369/rosekdrosetransp9fk2eb.gif

    A Smile

    A smile cost nothing, but gives so much.

    It enriches those who receive it,
    without making poorer those who give.
    It takes but a moment, but the memory
    of it sometimes lasts forever.

    None is so rich or mighty that he
    can get along without it,
    and none is so poor but that
    he can be made rich by it.

    A smile creates happiness in the home,
    fosters goodwill in business,
    and is the countersign of friendship.

    It brings rest to the weary,
    cheer to the discouraged, sunshine to the sad,
    and it is nature's best antidote for trouble.

    Yet it cannot be bought, begged, borrowed,
    or stolen, for it is something that is of no
    value to anyone until it is given away.

    Some people are too tired to give you a smile.
    Give them one of yours, as none needs a smile
    so much as he who has no more to give.

    - author unknown

  20. #20
    Pudge's Avatar
    Pudge is online now Site Admin
    Verified LEO
    Super Moderator
    Join Date
    12-04-05
    Location
    Ohio
    Posts
    10,320
    Rep Power
    8591417
    Update to the story from Cleveland News


    CLEVELAND -- Police said a gunman who opened fire at a Cleveland school Wednesday is dead and it appears that he shot himself.

    The gunman was the only one to die in the shootings in which four others were injured.

    Officials said the 14-year-old boy shot two students and two adults at Success Tech School, a small non-traditional high school located at East 13th Street and Lakeside Avenue.


    Police and neighbors have identified the shooter as Asa Coon.

    Police are at the boy's home, located at West 43rd Street and Carlyle.

    Police said they were at the home on Monday evening for another incident and weapons were found inside, so the teen had access to weapons, NewsChannel5's Ron Regan reported.

    Neighbors described Coon as an angry young man who seemed short-tempered and ready to go off at any minute.

    Mayor Frank Jackson and school CEO Eugene Sanders held a new conference Wednesday afternoon to give updates on the conditions of the people who were injured.

    An 18-year-old, identified as Darnell Rodgers, was shot in the elbow and will be treated and released from MetroHealth. A 15-year-old boy was shot in the side and is in stable condition at Rainbow Babies and Children's Hospital.

    A 57-year-old man, identified as David Kachadourian, are also in stable condition at Metro.

    A 42-year-old man underwent a surgery that lasted 90 minutes to 2 hours and is now listed in stable condition. His name hasn't been released.

    A 16-year-old female student was also injured when she fell and hurt her leg during the chaos of the scene. She was treated at Rainbow and is expected to be released soon.

    Jackson said the families of all the victims have been notified and the school has been secured.

    Witnesses said the incident stemmed from an altercation between two students that took place on Tuesday.

    One of the students, who had been suspended from the school for fighting, returned on Wednesday with a gun and reportedly opened fire inside the building.

    Police said he then turned the gun on himself and was dead when police entered the building.

    Police believe the shooting took place on the fourth floor, which is where officers found the shooter's body. The body of the shooter has been taken to the coroner's office.

    Dozens of police cars were at the scene and the area was blocked off earlier in the afternoon. Some students were in the building at the time of the shooting and the school went into lockdown.

    Students were evacuated shortly afterward and reunited with their parents.

    Police conducted a floor-to-floor sweep of the school and counselors were at the scene to talk to the students who witnessed the traumatic event.

    Police are expected to give another briefing at 8 p.m. to give any updates they may have on the investigation.


    Classes Canceled


    Sanders said that all Cleveland Metropolitan School District activities will be canceled beginning at 5 p.m. and that classes will be canceled on Thursday.

    Several recreation centers throughout the city will be open beginning at 8 a.m. Thursday for students and parents.

    Administrators and staff will meet on Friday, a scheduled day off for students, to talk about preparing for classes on Monday.

    Sanders also addressed reports of security concerns at the school, where parents said they have been trying to get increased security.

    Sanders said the school's security plan will be under review.

    School Violence


    NewsChannel5 investigator Duane Pohlman reported that there was trouble brewing at Success Tech before Wednesday.

    According to Student-Parent Organization President Charles Blackwell, there was a fistfight outside the school on Monday that involved the shooter.

    Police have not confirmed anything about the fight at this point.

    Blackwell said there was a series of escalating violence at the school, both verbal and physical, before the fatal shooting.

    There is also word that there was a code used over the loudspeaker on Wednesday to warn other children at the school about the shooting.

    Officials Respond To Shooting


    Government officials from around Ohio issued statements and offered condolences after today's shooting.

    Gov. Ted Strickland released the following statement:

    "I am deeply saddened and troubled by the tragic shooting at SuccessTech Academy in Cleveland today. Frances and I grieve for the families, students, teachers and administrators affected by this horrible incident. Our prayers and thoughts go out to them and to the great City of Cleveland during this difficult time. The State of Ohio stands ready to assist in any way possible in the coming days and weeks."

    State Sen. Shirley Smith also offered her condolences to the shooting victims and their families.

    "We are saddened by today's violence and tragic loss of life," Smith said. "We pray for the recovery of the victims and for our community as a whole."
    "Like" us on facebook! https://www.facebook.com/pages/Offic...93147194083228

    Follow members of O/R as they tweet a "Ride a long" on their shifts on the front page of the site and on twitter at the following links:

    www.twitter.com/PoliceRideAlong
    www.twitter.com/lewisipso
    www.twitter.com/ORgopher
    www.twitter.com/SecondChance122
    www.twitter.com/pojmm
    www.twitter.com/ORGIB

    The opinions given in my posts & threads DO NOT reflect the opinions, views, policies, and/or procedures of my employing agency. They are my personal opinions only, thereby releasing my agency of any liability, or involvement in anything posted under the username "Pudge" on Officerresource.com

 

 
Page 1 of 2 1 2 LastLast

Thread Information

Users Browsing this Thread

There are currently 1 users browsing this thread. (0 members and 1 guests)

Tags for this Thread

Bookmarks

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
  •