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    90 Year Old in Fatal Standoff

    All who knew him puzzled by 90-year-old's fatal standoff

    By Michael Stetz
    UNION-TRIBUNE STAFF WRITER
    December 17, 2007
    CHULA VISTA – It was an odd and tragic ending for a 90-year-old man: Getting gunned down by the police.

    Sol Oseroff didn't seem the type to die in such a violent fashion. The Chula Vista resident seemed an ordinary man with an ordinary life that appeared to be closing in on an ordinary end.

    “There was nothing all that dramatic about his life,” said his daughter-in-law Mary Oseroff, who lives in Washington.

    “But if you don't want to be here any longer, what do you do?”

    On Dec. 7, Sol Oseroff apparently became the oldest man to die at the hands of a San Diego County law enforcement officer. Authorities don't recall or have records of such an incident involving anyone near that age.

    He kept officers at bay for hours that afternoon, refusing to leave his mobile home. He had a gun and wouldn't give it up.

    A Crisis Negotiation Team tried to persuade him to surrender, but he responded only by saying, “ 'Send the officers in,' ” said Bernard Gonzales, spokesman for the Chula Vista Police Department.

    Nearby homes were evacuated.

    Finally Oseroff came outside the modest trailer, walked toward officers and raised his gun.

    Two officers opened fire, at least one with a shotgun. A neighbor believes she heard four shots fired. A family member remembers hearing five.

    Oseroff, who stood 5 feet, 6 inches tall and weighed about 130 pounds, died at the scene.

    The cause, according to the Medical Examiner's Office, was “multiple gunshot and shotgun wounds.” It won't release the number of wounds Oseroff had or where they were on his body until the official report is complete.

    The death has puzzled several of Oseroff's close friends and family. He had no history of violent behavior, they said, and wasn't drinking or on medication.

    Some are upset with the police for using so much force against such an old man. The next oldest to be killed by law enforcement in the county was 75, officials said.

    “They just unloaded on him,” said Oseroff's stepson, Gary Cates, who also lives in Chula Vista. “They had armor on and had good protection. He's slow. It's not as if he's going to get the drop on them.”

    Still others empathize with the police, saying the officers had no choice. Oseroff left notes saying he wanted to die that day. He appeared bent on ending his life.

    Police speculate that Oseroff may have tried to shoot, but the gun misfired. A shell casing was found in the chamber. The investigation into the shooting continues.

    “It's horrible, but what could be done?” Mary Oseroff said. “He got the outcome he wanted.”

    Robert Solomon Oseroff had a wife, a family and friends. But he was slowing down. He couldn't do the things he used to do.
    “Toward the end, he didn't get out of the house,” said Rochelle Wilson, 93, who goes by the nickname “Rocky” and lives a few doors away in the Palms Mobile Estates.

    On Saturdays, the Oseroffs and other couples would gather at Wilson's mobile home for coffee. They would listen to record albums on a turntable. Oseroff liked classical music and opera, Wilson said.


    Oseroff's friends believe he was born somewhere back East and that he worked as toolmaker in the San Fernando Valley before retiring to Chula Vista 20 or so years ago. For a while, he and his first wife, who died six or seven years ago, made miniature furniture for dollhouses. They had two grown children, both of whom declined to comment for this story. His second wife, Betty, also didn't want to talk.
    Wilson last saw Oseroff about three days before the shooting. She went over to his home to see how he was doing. He seemed frail and despondent.

    “He was an unhappy man,” she said.

    Others agreed that his energy and will seemed sapped. In the note that police found, he complained of digestive problems, said Cates, his stepson. He also wasn't sleeping very well, Cates said.

    Oseroff's decline and his answer to it fits a disturbing trend. People older than 85 have the highest rate of suicide in the nation. Most of the conditions that lead to suicide – depression or physical ailments, for instance – are treatable, said Richard McKeon, a U.S. government special adviser on suicide prevention.

    Odie Rodriguez, who lives next door to Oseroff, said she saw him less often in the past year. He had trouble walking and that upset him, Rodriguez said.

    She saw a flash of his old sparkle on Oct. 9, the day he turned 90.

    “I finally made it,” Oseroff told her with pride as they chatted outside his home.

    Wilson watched the standoff from her window. The scene was crazy, chaotic, “like Iraq.”
    Police – some of them holding shotguns – were everywhere, she said.

    She thought the reaction was a bit much. She doesn't think Oseroff was much of a threat, given his age and frail condition.

    “He used to shake,” she said, shaking her hand wildly to emphasize the way he moved.

    But police say age doesn't make much difference when it comes to the potential danger someone may pose.

    “What does age have to do with it?” said Gonzales, the Chula Vista police spokesman. “Here was a man approaching officers with a gun.”

    Officers aren't trained to fire at specific body parts, such as a foot or leg, Gonzales said. If they missed, the suspect might be able to shoot back. “They're trained to fire at mass.”

    Gonzales isn't certain whether the officers at the scene that day had bean-bag shotguns or other nonlethal weapons. Normally, they do. All aspects of the shooting are under review, he said.

    The case also will be reviewed by the District Attorney's Office, which scrutinizes all officer-involved shootings. But only once since 1990 has the District Attorney's Office filed charges against an officer. In that case, a jury deliberated only 10 minutes before acquitting the San Diego police officer.

    Legally, police can use deadly force if they believe their lives are in danger.

    The larger question is whether the use of deadly force is appropriate given the circumstances, said Michael Marrinan, a local attorney who has handled civil suits involving police shootings. Marrinan emphasized that he has no knowledge of the Oseroff shooting and was only speaking in generalities.

    Wilson, Oseroff's longtime friend, is still grappling with what she saw from her window.

    A man who had lived a long, full life lay on the ground, shot to death just outside his home.

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    It was an odd and tragic ending for a 90-year-old man: Getting gunned down by the police
    Bullshit!
    walked toward officers and raised his gun.
    and deservedly shot dead
    “They just unloaded on him,” said Oseroff's stepson, Gary Cates, who also lives in Chula Vista. “They had armor on and had good protection. He's slow. It's not as if he's going to get the drop on them.”
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    I'm including the link:

    http://www.signonsandiego.com/news/m...m17gunned.html

    You can scroll down for the reader comments.

    There are the usual anti-LEO remarks, but some very thoughtful responses as well.
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    Quote Originally Posted by PDawg View Post
    All who knew him puzzled by 90-year-old's fatal standoff

    By Michael Stetz
    UNION-TRIBUNE STAFF WRITER
    December 17, 2007
    CHULA VISTA – It was an odd and tragic ending for a 90-year-old man: Getting gunned down by the police.

    Sol Oseroff didn't seem the type to die in such a violent fashion. The Chula Vista resident seemed an ordinary man with an ordinary life that appeared to be closing in on an ordinary end.

    “There was nothing all that dramatic about his life,” said his daughter-in-law Mary Oseroff, who lives in Washington.

    “But if you don't want to be here any longer, what do you do?”

    On Dec. 7, Sol Oseroff apparently became the oldest man to die at the hands of a San Diego County law enforcement officer. Authorities don't recall or have records of such an incident involving anyone near that age.

    He kept officers at bay for hours that afternoon, refusing to leave his mobile home. He had a gun and wouldn't give it up.

    A Crisis Negotiation Team tried to persuade him to surrender, but he responded only by saying, “ 'Send the officers in,' ” said Bernard Gonzales, spokesman for the Chula Vista Police Department.

    Nearby homes were evacuated.

    Finally Oseroff came outside the modest trailer, walked toward officers and raised his gun.

    Two officers opened fire, at least one with a shotgun. A neighbor believes she heard four shots fired. A family member remembers hearing five.

    Oseroff, who stood 5 feet, 6 inches tall and weighed about 130 pounds, died at the scene.

    The cause, according to the Medical Examiner's Office, was “multiple gunshot and shotgun wounds.” It won't release the number of wounds Oseroff had or where they were on his body until the official report is complete.

    The death has puzzled several of Oseroff's close friends and family. He had no history of violent behavior, they said, and wasn't drinking or on medication.

    Some are upset with the police for using so much force against such an old man. The next oldest to be killed by law enforcement in the county was 75, officials said.

    They just unloaded on him,” said Oseroff's stepson, Gary Cates, who also lives in Chula Vista. “They had armor on and had good protection. He's slow. It's not as if he's going to get the drop on them.”

    Still others empathize with the police, saying the officers had no choice. Oseroff left notes saying he wanted to die that day. He appeared bent on ending his life.

    Police speculate that Oseroff may have tried to shoot, but the gun misfired. A shell casing was found in the chamber. The investigation into the shooting continues.

    “It's horrible, but what could be done?” Mary Oseroff said. “He got the outcome he wanted.”

    Robert Solomon Oseroff had a wife, a family and friends. But he was slowing down. He couldn't do the things he used to do.
    “Toward the end, he didn't get out of the house,” said Rochelle Wilson, 93, who goes by the nickname “Rocky” and lives a few doors away in the Palms Mobile Estates.

    On Saturdays, the Oseroffs and other couples would gather at Wilson's mobile home for coffee. They would listen to record albums on a turntable. Oseroff liked classical music and opera, Wilson said.


    Oseroff's friends believe he was born somewhere back East and that he worked as toolmaker in the San Fernando Valley before retiring to Chula Vista 20 or so years ago. For a while, he and his first wife, who died six or seven years ago, made miniature furniture for dollhouses. They had two grown children, both of whom declined to comment for this story. His second wife, Betty, also didn't want to talk.
    Wilson last saw Oseroff about three days before the shooting. She went over to his home to see how he was doing. He seemed frail and despondent.

    “He was an unhappy man,” she said.

    Others agreed that his energy and will seemed sapped. In the note that police found, he complained of digestive problems, said Cates, his stepson. He also wasn't sleeping very well, Cates said.

    Oseroff's decline and his answer to it fits a disturbing trend. People older than 85 have the highest rate of suicide in the nation. Most of the conditions that lead to suicide – depression or physical ailments, for instance – are treatable, said Richard McKeon, a U.S. government special adviser on suicide prevention.

    Odie Rodriguez, who lives next door to Oseroff, said she saw him less often in the past year. He had trouble walking and that upset him, Rodriguez said.

    She saw a flash of his old sparkle on Oct. 9, the day he turned 90.

    “I finally made it,” Oseroff told her with pride as they chatted outside his home.

    Wilson watched the standoff from her window. The scene was crazy, chaotic, “like Iraq.”
    Police – some of them holding shotguns – were everywhere, she said.

    She thought the reaction was a bit much. She doesn't think Oseroff was much of a threat, given his age and frail condition.

    “He used to shake,” she said, shaking her hand wildly to emphasize the way he moved.

    But police say age doesn't make much difference when it comes to the potential danger someone may pose.

    “What does age have to do with it?” said Gonzales, the Chula Vista police spokesman. “Here was a man approaching officers with a gun.”

    Officers aren't trained to fire at specific body parts, such as a foot or leg, Gonzales said. If they missed, the suspect might be able to shoot back. “They're trained to fire at mass.”

    Gonzales isn't certain whether the officers at the scene that day had bean-bag shotguns or other nonlethal weapons. Normally, they do. All aspects of the shooting are under review, he said.

    The case also will be reviewed by the District Attorney's Office, which scrutinizes all officer-involved shootings. But only once since 1990 has the District Attorney's Office filed charges against an officer. In that case, a jury deliberated only 10 minutes before acquitting the San Diego police officer.

    Legally, police can use deadly force if they believe their lives are in danger.

    The larger question is whether the use of deadly force is appropriate given the circumstances, said Michael Marrinan, a local attorney who has handled civil suits involving police shootings. Marrinan emphasized that he has no knowledge of the Oseroff shooting and was only speaking in generalities.

    Wilson, Oseroff's longtime friend, is still grappling with what she saw from her window.

    A man who had lived a long, full life lay on the ground, shot to death just outside his home.

    “It's a heck of way to go out of this world.”
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    The old man wanted to die and couldnt do it himself. Its called suicide by cop and it happens


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    Tragic end all around. But from all accounts, he wanted to die and he used a gutless and cowardly way to do it.

    Funny how no one thinks what pain the officers have to endure when the shoot someone who looks like their grandfather.

 

 

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