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    Officers being issued speeding tickets while on duty by speed cameras. Officers claim citations should be paid by their agency, not them

    Among the thousands of drivers who have been issued $40 fines after being nabbed by Montgomery County's new speed cameras are scores of county police officers. The difference is, many of the officers are refusing to pay.
    The officers are following the advice of their union, which says the citations are issued not to the driver but to the vehicle's owner -- in this case, the county.
    That view has rankled Police Chief J. Thomas Manger and County Council Member Phil Andrews (D-Gaithersburg-Rockville), who chairs the Public Safety Committee.
    "You can't have one set of laws for police officers and another one for the rest of the world," Andrews said.
    In recent weeks, officers have twice been photographed speeding past a camera and extending a middle finger, an act that police supervisors interpreted as a gesture of defiance. "There is no excuse for that kind of behavior," said Andrews, who was briefed on the incidents.
    During the last eight months of 2007, the department's cameras recorded 224 instances in which county police vehicles were nabbed traveling more than 10 mph over the speed limit, the department disclosed this week in response to an inquiry from The Washington Post.
    Of those citations, 76 were dismissed after supervisors determined that officers were responding to calls or had other valid reasons to exceed the speed limit. Nearly two-thirds of the remaining 148 fines have not been paid, including an unspecified number that remain under investigation, said Lt. Paul Starks, a police spokesman. He said the number of citations issued to police employees this year is not yet available.
    Officer Mark Zifcak, president of the Fraternal Order of Police Lodge 35, did not respond to an e-mail and two phone messages this week seeking comment. In a notice posted on its Web site, the union advises that "members should not pay or set court dates for speed camera citations that are issued to the employer."
    Manger is demanding that officers pay the fines, a request that has met stiff opposition from union leaders and has been ignored by some sergeants who were asked to investigate whether officers nabbed by the cameras had a valid reason to speed.
    "We are not above the law," Manger said in an interview. "It is imperative that the police department hold itself to the same standards that we're holding the public to."
    Officials at the county's fire department, sheriff's office and four municipal police departments said employees who have been caught speeding in government vehicles have paid the fines.
    "The only time we don't make them pay the fine is if they're on an emergency call," Sheriff Raymond M. Kight said. "We haven't had any resistance at all."

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    Speeding cameras are nothing more than a revenue generator, what the hell happened to discretion.
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    We are fighting the same battle in my city.

    Besides the speed cameras, we also have red light cameras.

    I got flashed by one while doing a motorcycle escort.

    Ought to be interesting, since once an LE officer takes control of an intersection, the traffic signals are secondary to the officer's directions.

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    In Delaware we have red light cameras all over the place, but no speed cameras that I know of. Most pictures taken of police cars or other emergency vehicles are thrown out before being mailed, but sometimes a few slip through the cracks and are mailed to the stations and fire departments....then they throw them out!
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    Wow, I bet this will come down to who was supposed to be driving that car and instead of fine it will turn into a day vacation for some reason that they will come up with.

    Not being there in the squad, I do not know the reason for the LEO's actions so I dont want to comment of why? But at the exact same time, people watch LEO very closely and we should be setting an example

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    Stop light cameras and speed cameras violate the very tenant of facing your accuser, and I object to them strenuously.
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    I know of at least one officer who has paid for his ticket in a marked vehicle.$120 and 3 penalty points.
    He said it was just eaiser than all the hastle of fighting it. He wasn't going to a job just routine patrol.
    The exemption for police has been challenged elsewhere here, as the exmption is "whilst being used for police purposes".It does not state that you have to be on an emergency call.
    We have recently had a new inspector in charge of my unit and I haven't seen a camera request since he came(They go to him first)
    With the previous boss all the fines notices came to you and you had to justify them.
    The cameras do I feel have a place, unfortunately they don't catch people who don't register their vehicles,foreign registered vehicles, slimey companies who say the vehicle has multiple users and they don't know who was in it etc etc
    Unfortunately it is only the honest folk who pay up.
    When they first came out they were genuinely placed at real accident black spots. However since then they have gone out of the direct control of the police and are now managed by a civilian dept with the police as a figurehead.(they have to have the Chief Constables signature on stuff to make it legal)
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