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    City Bans All Retired Officers from Carrying

    San Gabriel Valley Tribune

    April 03, 2008

    WEST COVINA, CA – The city voted to ban people from bringing weapons into City Hall on Tuesday.

    The ordinance explicitly includes a ban on retired law enforcement personnel carrying weapons, a fact that did not sit well with former police officers and government agents who spoke at Tuesday’s City Council meeting.

    “You are shortchanging the security of retired officers, and of the general public,” said Forrest Wilkins, a retired Los Angeles Police Department officer. “An armed officer is a person who can assist if something goes wrong.”

    Chief Frank Wills, who helped draft the ordinance, said the city has not issued any weapons permits to citizens that would have allowed them to carry weapons to the meeting. He added that the Sheriff’s Department, which can also issue permits, has given permits to at least two West Covina residents.

    Wills said, however, that the ordinance will not target just retired law enforcement since it also bans other kinds of weapons, and would apply to citizens of neighboring cities with weapons permits.

    City officials said they were concerned about possible threats against council members and staff as reasons for the new law.
    Council members Steve Herfert and Shelley Sanderson and Mayor Sherri Lane, who each voted in favor of the ordinance, said it was not intended to target law enforcement but rather to make everyone safer.

    “I was surprised when speakers came up to make an issue out of this,” said Sanderson. “This is about public safety.”

    Fred Sykes, a former West Covina police officer and a former council candidate, called the ordinance an insult. Sykes said he takes his gun everywhere he goes, including most City Council meetings.

    “This ordinance treats us like sex offenders and criminals, taking away our rights,” he said. “Why would they show such disrespect for West Covina peace officers?”

    Wills also said he would prefer if the ordinance did not include retired law enforcement.

    “If I was sitting where you do,” said Wills, “I’d allow the retired officers to keep their arms.”
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    Thats why I would never live in that messed up state. Sure, take the guns away from the very people who are trained to use it and an offer some protection if needed. Do they really think it would be safer for them not to allow them to carry their firearms to meetings and such? Who is going to protect them from those nice people who dont follow the law? The one or two uniformed people who will be there? They can be easily avoided if someone really wanted to blast away. What a bunch of sheep.
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    So much for HR 218?

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    What a bunch of BS.


    Great lets tell the asshats of the community "Hey that cop you never liked well now he doesn't have a firearm to protect himself"


    Did I already say this was total BS
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    Quote Originally Posted by PapaBear View Post
    San Gabriel Valley Tribune

    April 03, 2008

    WEST COVINA, CA – The city voted to ban people from bringing weapons into City Hall on Tuesday.

    The ordinance explicitly includes a ban on retired law enforcement personnel carrying weapons, a fact that did not sit well with former police officers and government agents who spoke at Tuesday’s City Council meeting.
    I believe the LEOSA (HR 218) overrules any city of town ordinances. It doesn't necessarily overrules all state laws, but it does in a few cases.

    Quote Originally Posted by PapaBear View Post

    Chief Frank Wills, who helped draft the ordinance, said the city has not issued any weapons permits to citizens that would have allowed them to carry weapons to the meeting. He added that the Sheriff’s Department, which can also issue permits, has given permits to at least two West Covina residents.
    "Chief Frank Mills, a political hack, hired to be the political whore of the city's administration said people shouldn't have guns." My quote.

    Police Chiefs don't speak for all of us. They are political animals and walk the administration's walk and follow the same talk. That's how they keep their jobs. I usually ignore most stances of police chiefs and never lend any credence to the Police Chiefs Association talking points. Those views are frequently contrary to good police practices.
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    I say we let Mexico have CA back. Put up a wall first so none of the nuts can come back here.
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    Quote Originally Posted by xiphos View Post
    I say we let Mexico have CA back. Put up a wall first so none of the nuts can come back here.
    Hey! Just a minute there!

    Don't lump the whole state with the few pussyvilles. Most of California is made up of ranchers, farmers and retired military.
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    "City officials said they were concerned about possible threats against council members and staff as reasons for the new law."

    Oh..right..this makes sense...cause now the dirtbags that obtain and carry guns anyway will be model citizens. Taking away the right to carry from the law abiding citizens (as well as retired cops for silly sake) makes all the sense in the world. Geez.
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    Quote Originally Posted by PDawg View Post
    Hey! Just a minute there!

    Don't lump the whole state with the few pussyvilles. Most of California is made up of ranchers, farmers and retired military.
    While there is a large population of freedom loving Americans in California, the fact is that "most" of the state are liberal who support every anti-freedom politician that comes down the pike. California is an anchor on liberty with even the 9th Circus Court establishing precedents on the rest of the region that hinder law enforcement.

    If you love freedom you are in a bad spot in California. You are out numbered. Eventually most freedom loving residents will probably have to seriously consider moving away from there as it sinks into they abyss.
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    Quote Originally Posted by PDawg View Post
    Hey! Just a minute there!

    Don't lump the whole state with the few pussyvilles. Most of California is made up of ranchers, farmers and retired military.
    Are you sure about that???





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    Quote Originally Posted by xiphos View Post
    While there is a large population of freedom loving Americans in California, the fact is that "most" of the state are liberal who support every anti-freedom politician that comes down the pike. California is an anchor on liberty with even the 9th Circus Court establishing precedents on the rest of the region that hinder law enforcement.

    If you love freedom you are in a bad spot in California. You are out numbered. Eventually most freedom loving residents will probably have to seriously consider moving away from there as it sinks into they abyss.
    Having lived here for 34 years, I can tell you that it is not really as bad as everybody who doesn't live here thinks.

    Part of the problem we have, is too many other states, for too many years, have been sending their social problems here.

    They saved money by giving bus tickets to California to folks applying for welfare.

    They still save money by giving bus tickets to California to folks instead of arresting them. Then we arrest them on those out-of-state warrants, and they won't extradite.

    Please don't base your opinion of the state, or residents on what happens in San Francisco - it's the smallest of the big cities here population wise.
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    I agree with you on that PDawg
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    Quote Originally Posted by PapaBear View Post
    The ordinance explicitly includes a ban on retired law enforcement personnel carrying weapons

    City officials said they were concerned about possible threats against council members and staff as reasons for the new law.

    Council members Steve Herfert and Shelley Sanderson and Mayor Sherri Lane, who each voted in favor of the ordinance, said it was not intended to target law enforcement but rather to make everyone safer.
    So what are they saying here, that they think retired cops made the threats, but they're not targeting those by targeting everyone else??? I'm confused.

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    What a terrible decision...I would be pissed if I were one of those retired Officers...
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    Quote Originally Posted by PDawg View Post
    Hey! Just a minute there!

    Don't lump the whole state with the few pussyvilles. Most of California is made up of ranchers, farmers and retired military.
    Quote Originally Posted by PDawg View Post
    Having lived here for 34 years, I can tell you that it is not really as bad as everybody who doesn't live here thinks.

    Part of the problem we have, is too many other states, for too many years, have been sending their social problems here.

    They saved money by giving bus tickets to California to folks applying for welfare.

    They still save money by giving bus tickets to California to folks instead of arresting them. Then we arrest them on those out-of-state warrants, and they won't extradite.

    Please don't base your opinion of the state, or residents on what happens in San Francisco - it's the smallest of the big cities here population wise.
    Amen, Sister. Don't forget a big portion of Los Angeles proper, and what has spilled over from San Francisco into Oakland and Berkeley.


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    I was thinking HR 218 trumped a dumb ordnance like this, but now that I re-read it, I guess it doesn't trump a city ordanance while in that city's buildings.

    Is that right, technically you can carry anywhere in the USA except airplanes & government buildings if that government won't let you?

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    Same old BS as soon as you retire the political hacks think your brains fall out and you become stupid. Look at some of the comments Uncle Teddy made when they were trying to pass 218.

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    What's really sad is there are probably plenty of officers who would enforce this crap.

    Unrelated to this story...CHP has a track record in San Diego of back stabbing deputy sheriffs.
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    That is one reason why I will never live in that state....

    Why do these liberal assclowns keep getting elected... They MUST speak for the majority, or the majority would change who is in office....

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