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    Gen. Clark blasts Sen. McCain's military record



    Clark hits McCain's military credentials
    By: Josh Kraushaar
    June 29, 2008 05:53 PM EST

    Gen. Wesley Clark, acting as a surrogate for Barack Obama’s campaign, invoked John McCain’s military service against him in one of the more personal attacks on the Republican presidential nominee this election cycle.

    Clark said that McCain lacked the executive experience necessary to be president, calling him “untested and untried” on CBS’ “Face the Nation.” And in saying so, he took a few swipes at McCain’s military service.

    After saying, "I certainly honor his service as a prisoner of war. He was a hero to me and to hundreds of thousands and millions of others in the armed forces, as a prisoner of war," he added that these experiences in no way qualify McCain to be president in his view:

    “He has been a voice on the Senate Armed Services Committee. And he has traveled all over the world. But he hasn't held executive responsibility. That large squadron in the Navy that he commanded — that wasn't a wartime squadron,” Clark said.

    “I don’t think getting in a fighter plane and getting shot down is a qualification to become president.”

    Sen. Joseph I. Lieberman (I-Conn.), also on CBS, was equally uncharitable towards Obama’s record on foreign policy as he continued to distance himself from his former party.

    “Sen. Obama, unfortunately, like a lot of the Democratic leadership, continues to take a position that we ought to withdraw ... even though the new policy is working,” said Lieberman. “If we had done what Sen. Obama asked us to do for the last couple of years, today Iran and Al Qaeda would be in control of Iraq. It would be a terrible defeat for us and our allies in the Middle East and throughout the world.”

    Meanwhile, the opposition narratives for the fall election campaign appeared to be in full force on ABC’s “This Week,” with Rep. Rahm Emanuel (D-Ill.) calling McCain a flip-flopper, while Republican Minnesota Gov. Tim Pawlenty accused Obama of not working in a bipartisan fashion.

    Emanuel attacked McCain for changing his position on offshore oil drilling, President Bush’s tax cuts and his relationship with the evangelical community.

    Quipped Emanuel: “If flip-flop was an Olympic sport, John McCain would be the first to win a gold medal.”

    But Pawlenty cited McCain’s record on immigration and his support of increasing U.S. troop presence in Iraq as ample evidence that he bucks his party on account of principle — and then challenged Emanuel to name one piece of legislation where Obama has worked across party lines.

    “The question really remains, when has Barack Obama stood up and taken on his party on anything of national significance?” Pawlenty asked. “It's not leadership to jump in front of a parade. And I think Barack Obama's book 'The Audacity of Hope' perhaps should be retitled 'The Audacity of Hypocrisy.'”

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    A pair of prospective running mates for Obama and McCain downplayed their interest in serving on the presidential tickets on “Fox News Sunday” — and one even said he wasn’t interested in an immediate Cabinet appointment.

    Gov. Ed Rendell (D-Pa.), said he was committed to finishing out his four-year term as governor before accepting any Cabinet position within a potential Obama administration.

    “In 2011, it's my intention to walk out the door of the [Pennsylvania] capitol ... in January of 2011. I know that disappoints some people in the capitol, but that's my intention,” Rendell said. “And if there was a position open that I was interested in, like energy or transportation, I'd be honored to serve in an Obama administration, but not at the beginning, not until my time is finished.”

    Rendell, one of Sen. Clinton’s leading surrogates during the Democratic primaries, said that President Clinton was “disappointed” that his wife came up short in the Democratic primary, but “is going to do every single thing that Barack Obama asks him to do ... and make a great case for Sen. Obama as our next president.”


    Meanwhile, former Ohio Rep. Rob Portman also disavowed interest in serving as McCain’s running mate, saying he preferred to remain with his family in Ohio instead of returning to Washington, where he most recently served as director of the Office of Management and Budget.

    “I don't expect to be asked, honestly,” said Portman. "I'm also, as you know, Chris, home after 15 years of commuting when I was in Congress and in the administration, and I've got three teenagers. It's time to be home. I love being home.”

    Portman, for his part, reiterated McCain’s unequivocal support for NAFTA despite the fact that the free trade agreement is viewed skeptically in the Rust Belt, including the electorally critical states of Ohio and Pennsylvania.

    “It's created an enormous number of jobs, including to Canada, which is our biggest trading partner,” said Portman. “And when that message gets out there, it makes it look a little silly that you have someone going around the state of Pennsylvania and Ohio blaming NAFTA for anything from high energy prices to the common cold. “

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    Both third-party presidential candidates appeared on the Sunday talk show circuit, with each offering an ample helping of criticism towards the major-party nominees.

    Ralph Nader, who said Obama was “talking white” to appeal to voters earlier in the week, continued to attack the Democratic nominee on ABC’s “This Week,” accusing him of being too cozy with an assortment of corporate interests.

    “Look at the positions he’s taken on that corporate America is very congenial to. If you want to cover everybody on health insurance ... go to single payer. He's opposed to single payer,” said Nader.

    Meanwhile, former Republican Georgia Rep. Bob Barr, the Libertarian Party’s nominee, had harsh words for both McCain and his former party.

    “What's wrong with John McCain is symptomatic of what's wrong with the Republican party in these first years of the 21st century. They talk one thing but do something different and that's become very obvious to the American people,” Barr said on Fox.

    Barr said he is the only candidate offering the combination of a crackdown on excessive government spending along with concern for civil liberties.

    But he had to distance himself from past congressional votes in support of the Patriot Act and for legislation authorizing the war in Iraq — positions anathema to much of the Libertarian Party base.

    “I certainly was wrong, along with a lot of others in Congress, and now realize that the vote in support of military operations in Iraq was not what the administration intended. They intended to occupy the country even though they didn't tell us or the American people that at the time,” said Barr.

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    And a Sunday show wrapup wouldn’t be complete without mention of California Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger’s appearance on “Meet the Press,” where he advocated for McCain’s candidacy but acknowledged their difference on offshore drilling, a proposal that Schwarzenegger opposes.

    “I'm 100 percent behind him. That we don't agree on everything, that's clear; nor do I with my wife. I mean, it doesn't mean that we should split, it just means that we don't agree on certain things.”

    He also announced his opposition to a statewide referendum that would amend the state’s constitution to ban gay marriage, while not sounding too opposed to the California Supreme Court’s recent controversial ruling that legalized same-sex marriage in the state.

    “I think it's good that California is leading in this way,” said Schwarzenegger. “I personally believe that marriage should be between a man and a woman. But at the same time I think that my belief, I don't want to force on anyone else, so I think we should stay with the decision of the Supreme Court and move forward.”
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    Clark: McCain a hero, but lacks command experience 1 hour, 54 minutes ago

    Retired Gen. Wesley Clark, a former Democratic presidential candidate now supporting Barack Obama, said Sunday John McCain's military service does not automatically qualify him to be commander in chief.

    Underscoring during a national television appearance a position he has been expressing for several weeks, Clark said performing heroic military service is not a substitute for gaining command experience.

    "In the matters of national security policy making, it's a matter of understanding risk," he said on CBS' "Face the Nation." "It's a matter of gauging your opponents and it's a matter of being held accountable. John McCain's never done any of that in his official positions. I certainly honor his service as a prisoner of war. He was a hero to me and to hundreds of thousands and millions of others in the armed forces, as a prisoner of war.

    "He has been a voice on the Senate Armed Services Committee and he has traveled all over the world, but he hasn't held executive responsibility," Clark said. "That large squadron in the Navy that he commanded — that wasn't a wartime squadron."

    Moderator Bob Schieffer, who raised the issue by citing similar remarks Clark has made previously, noted that Obama hadn't had those experiences nor had he ridden in a fighter plane and been shot down. "Well, I don't think riding in a fighter plane and getting shot down is a qualification to be president," Clark replied.

    In a March conference call with reporters while he was still backing Hillary Rodham Clinton, Clark said: "Everybody admires John McCain's service as a fighter pilot, his courage as a prisoner of war. There's no issue there. He's a great man and an honorable man. But having served as a fighter pilot — and I know my experience as a company commander in Vietnam — that doesn't prepare you to be commander in chief in terms of dealing with the national strategic issues that are involved. It may give you a feeling for what the troops are going through in the process, but it doesn't give you the experience first hand of the national strategic issues."

    He reiterated that position last week in an article on The Huffington Post Web site.

    "If Barack Obama's campaign wants to question John McCain's military service, that's their right," McCain spokesman Brian Rogers said after Clark's appearance Sunday. "But let's please drop the pretense that Barack Obama stands for a new type of politics. The reality is he's proving to be a typical politician who is willing to say anything to get elected, including allowing his campaign surrogates to demean and attack John McCain's military service record."

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    Clark said that McCain lacked the executive experience necessary to be president, calling him “untested and untried” on CBS’ “Face the Nation.”
    That's rich when considering McCain's opponent hasn't even finished his first term in the Senate.

    McCain's politics stink and I don't like him. He's nowhere near conservative for me. But one thing you can't question is his military service. The North Vietnamese offered to let him go because his father was an admiral and he declined. There is nothing but total honor in his military service. That hack Clark wouldn't know honor if it kicked him in the head.
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    Gen Wesley Clark, if I remember, was in charge of NATO forces that went in Serbia/Kosovo in the onset of NATO invasion of what was then Yugoslavia. He was a Clinton General who had about as much guts and integrity as M. Bill. When the Russians said that they were going to send in their Armed Forces to protect the Serbs (Slavs), Clark ordered a British General to blockade the airfield so the Russians could not get their forces in. Our good Brit friend told Clark to stuff it, that "he wasn't going to start WWIII" for Clark.

    The man is a poor excuse for a General Officer and a disgrace to the uniform.

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    Clark has his judgement clouded because of his own failed political aspirations.

    Have you all noticed that Obama is now wearing an American Flag on his lapel? Hypocrite.
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    "He has been a voice on the Senate Armed Services Committee and he has traveled all over the world, but he hasn't held executive responsibility," Clark said. "That large squadron in the Navy that he commanded — that wasn't a wartime squadron."
    And how much experience in this field does Obama have?
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    I'll say it again, being a graduate of a service academy and a fighter pilot of any sort is not something to belittle - shot down or not.
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    I consider this great news. I want the opposition to make this an issue. Right after they do this they can start a foriegn policy debate.

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    Quote Originally Posted by maclean View Post
    I'll say it again, being a graduate of a service academy and a fighter pilot of any sort is not something to belittle - shot down or not.
    I do agree with General Clark on one thing -- being a military vet and former POW doesn't automatically qualify you to be President. But it DOES speak volumes about your character. Which may well qualify you to be President.

    And just what "executive experience" does Obama have, anyway?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jks9199 View Post
    I do agree with General Clark on one thing -- being a military vet and former POW doesn't automatically qualify you to be President. But it DOES speak volumes about your character. Which may well qualify you to be President.

    And just what "executive experience" does Obama have, anyway?
    Sure enough - but in addition to being a fighter pilot McCain graduated from the United States Naval Academy.

    Many people don't know what that means - I do. My brother is a graduate, and I watched it change him from a kid to a man I'd fight for.

    He has also got more life experience, even leaving out how he comported himself through being a POW.
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    From Wikipedia, regarding Clark...

    Clark began planning work for responses to the war in Bosnia and Herzegovina upon his appointment in 1994 as the Director, Strategic Plans and Policy (J5) on the JCS staff. While collecting information to outline military options for resolving the conflict, Clark met with Bosnian military leaders including Ratko Mladić, who was later accused of war crimes and genocide. Clark was photographed exchanging hats with Mladić, and the photo drew controversy in the United States. A Washington Post story was published claiming Clark had made the visit despite a warning from the U.S. ambassador.[40] Some Clinton administration members privately said the incident was "like cavorting with Hermann Göring."[41] Clark had actually listed the visit in the itinerary he submitted to the ambassador, but says he learned only afterwards that the visit had never been approved. He also said there had been no warning and no one had told him to cancel the visit, although two Congressmen called for Clark's dismissal regardless. Clark later said he regretted the exchange,[42] and the issue was ultimately resolved as President Clinton sent a letter defending Clark to the Congress and the controversy subsided.[43] Clark said it was his "first experience in the rough and tumble of high visibility... and a painful few days."[44] Conservative pundit Robert Novak later referred to the hat exchange in a column during Clark's 2004 presidential campaign, citing it as a "problem" with Clark as a candidate.[45]

    Clark noted that merely counting the number of opposing troops did not show Milošević's true losses because he was bringing in reinforcements. Many American news organizations capitalized on the remark in a way Clark said "distorted the comment" with headlines such as "NATO Chief Admits Bombs Fail to Stem Serb Operations" in The New York Times. Clark later defended his remarks, saying this was a "complete misunderstanding of my statement and of the facts," and President Clinton agreed Clark's remarks had been misconstrued. Regardless, Clark received a call the following evening from General Hugh Shelton who said he had been told by Secretary Cohen to deliver a piece of guidance verbatim. "Get your fucking face off the TV. No more briefings, period. That's it."[56][57]

    Rumors persisted that Clark was forced out due to his contentious relationship with some in Washington D.C.; however, he has dismissed them, calling it a "routine personnel action," and the Department of Defense said it was merely a "general rotation of American senior ranks."[81] However, a NATO ambassador told the International Herald Tribune that Clark's dismissal seemed to be a "political thing from the United States."[82] General Hugh Shelton would say of Clark during his 2004 campaign that "the reason he came out of Europe early had to do with integrity and character issues, things that are very near and dear to my heart. I'm not going to say whether I'm a Republican or a Democrat. I'll just say Wes won't get my vote,"[83][84] though Shelton never elaborated further on what these issues were.[85]
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    I have been waiting for the chance to vote for John McCain for quite awhile.



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    Quote Originally Posted by PDawg View Post
    I have been waiting for the chance to vote for John McCain for quite awhile.

    And I will continue to wait to get the chance to vote for a Conservative.

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    Remember in 2004 and Clark said Kerry's military record qualified him for president. Go figure.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dadyswat View Post
    Remember in 2004 and Clark said Kerry's military record qualified him for president. Go figure.
    And that was after he said this: NYTimes dated Jan. 25, 2004
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    ASHUA, N.H., Jan. 24 — In an interview to be televised Sunday, Senator John Kerry rebuked Gen. Wesley K. Clark for dismissing his military record as that of a junior officer in Vietnam.

    "That's the first time I have heard a general be so dismissive of lieutenants, who bleed a lot in wars," Mr. Kerry told the CBS News program "60 Minutes" in an interview taped on Wednesday.

    "I think the general is entitled to his feelings and opinions," added Mr. Kerry, who was highly decorated for his service in Vietnam.

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    Apparantly, Gen. Clark is the only person that served honorably in Vietnam. Forget our Uncles, Fathers, and Grandfathers. Only Clark is right.
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    Quote Originally Posted by narcodog View Post
    Clark has his judgement clouded because of his own failed political aspirations.

    Have you all noticed that Obama is now wearing an American Flag on his lapel? Hypocrite.
    Yea but will he salute it without being afraid of appearing to take sides.


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    John McCain faced death at least twice in service of his country. Nuff said. I know he isn't a true conservative , but he is an honorable man and not a chameleon like his opponent. By the way , has anybody else noticed how much Obama sounds like The Rock. Close your eyes. " John McCain come November, The Barack is going to lay the smack down on your candy ass!" " If you smeeeell what The Barack is cooking !"
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    Seeing as how McCain and Obama both have never been President, I'd say they both lack experience.

    I'd be nice if McCain would find his set of balls and form a solid opinion on something instead of doing a John Kerry impersonation.
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