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08-24-08, 07:45 PM #1
Appropriate Use of Force?
Kenosha Police Officers Shot At During Call
Officers Responded To Stabbing Complaint
UPDATED: 6:27 pm CDT August 24, 2008
KENOSHA, Wis. -- Two Kenosha police officers were shot at early Sunday morning while responding to a stabbing complaint.
Police said the officers arrived at the scene shortly before 4:30 a.m. They saw a man running and shooting toward a van and a group of about 20 people gathered nearby.
As the squad car approached, police said the man turned and started shooting at the officers, hitting the hood of the car.
The officers hit the 19-year-old man with their car and drove him into the front porch of a residence before taking him into custody, police said.
The shooting suspect, identified as Narciso Esquivel, of Kenosha, was treated at a local hospital for minor injuries and is being held in Kenosha County Jail pending charges.
No one was hit by the bullets. Police said the gun used was reported stolen in July.
Kenosha police said that detectives are continuing to investigate the original stabbing complaint in which a 29-year-old man had been stabbed in the back and sustained what are believed to be non-life-threatening injuries.
Police are investigating both incidents to determine if they are connected.
Copyright 2008 by Channel 3000. The Associated Press contributed to this report. All rights reserved. This material may not be published, broadcast, rewritten or redistributed
08-24-08, 07:48 PM #2
Deadly force situation. Absolutely appropriate if they had no time to get out of the car, take cover, and return fire.The views expressed in the above post are the sole opinion of the author and do not reflect any official position by the author's employer and/or municipality.
08-24-08, 07:55 PM #3
Nice restraint on the part of the officers. IMO they should have run over the scum.
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08-24-08, 08:38 PM #4
Nice work on them.No one has greater love than this, to lay down ones life for ones friends - John 15:13
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08-24-08, 09:26 PM #5
I was taught to either be moving or taking cover in gun fight.....they managed to do both kinda sorta.
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08-24-08, 09:34 PM #6
08-24-08, 10:58 PM #7
Definitely appropriate. If the guy is shooting from the front, the engine block is DEFINITELY the best cover available. Coming out from behind cover in this situation would have presented a definite tactical advantage for the bad guy. Staying stationary is NOT tactically sound when your threat is mobile. Reversing is retreat, and is giving up ground you have gained up to that point, and would have done innocent bystanders no good. The ONLY option in this situation is to stay behind cover (the engine block) and using a whatever deadly weapon is immediately at hand and deployed (the car) to eliminate the threat.
I say making that fucker a hood ornament with the Thug Intervention Technique was a pretty good way to eliminate the threat."If anything worthwhile comes of this tragedy, it should be the realization by every citizen that often the only thing that stands between them and losing everything they hold dear... is the man wearing a badge." -- Ronald Reagan, in the wake of the deaths of 4 CHP troopers in the Newhall Incident, 1970
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08-24-08, 11:04 PM #8
I'd imagine it's a lot easier to mash the gas pedal and run a guy over than it is to exit the vehicle, draw a pistol, get a good sight picture, and put the bullet right where you want to, all while taking rounds and fighting the adrenalione dump.
08-25-08, 12:04 AM #9
1. Narciso Esquivel is NOT from Kenosha....and should be immediately returned to wherever the hell he came from!
2. In a shooting situation, ANY force necessary to terminate the little turd is a no-brainer.
3. Your cover story about having to extract his dead body from the front suspension needs to be clever.
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08-25-08, 01:07 PM #10
Great job by the Officers, sounds completely fine to me.Calm Like A Bomb...
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08-25-08, 03:08 PM #11
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08-25-08, 09:15 PM #12
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08-25-08, 09:38 PM #13
The officers involved used a weapon of opportunity in a deadly force situation. The gloves are off on such occasions. Jackass shouldn't have brought a gun to a car fight. Way to improvise and overcome what started out as a tactical disadvantage.SI VIS PACEM PARA BELLUM-Ex-Sheriff Martin Howe to Will Kane in "High Noon"
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