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09-23-08, 08:22 PM #1
9-11 suspect grills judge on religion
Accused September 11 plotter Khalid Sheikh Mohammed asked a U.S. military judge at the Guantanamo war crimes court on Tuesday whether he was a member of an "extremist" American religious group.
Mohammed exercised the defendant's right to examine the judge's impartiality, asking Marine Col. Ralph Kohlmann about his views on religion and torture at a pre-trial hearing of five accused September 11 co-conspirators.
"We are well-known as extremists and fanatics, and there are also Christians and Jews that are very extremist," Mohammed said. "If you, for example, were part of Jerry Falwell or Pat Robertson's groups, then you would not at all be impartial towards us," he said, referring to two U.S. evangelical Christian leaders.
Kohlmann replied that he did not belong to a congregation. "When I have attended church, I was a member of various Lutheran churches and Episcopal churches, and I have not attended any of them for a long time because I have moved so often," the judge said.
Kohlmann dismissed as "inaccurate," an assertion by co-defendant Ramzi Binalshibh that he had a "Jewish name."
Binalshibh, Mohammed and three other defendants -- Mustafa Ahmed al Hawsawi, Walid bin Attash and Ali Abdul Aziz Ali -- are charged with conspiring with al Qaeda to kill civilians in the attacks that prompted the Bush administration's global war on terrorism.
The men face 2,973 counts of murder, one for each person killed when the hijacked crashed into the World Trade Centre, the Pentagon and a Pennsylvania field. Prosecutors want to execute them if they are convicted.
Mohammed is one of three al Qaeda suspects known to have been subjected to CIA water boarding, a form of simulated drowning used in interrogation that human rights groups consider torture. He questioned Kohlmann on his conduct of a high-school seminar in 2005 on interrogation and torture.
Kohlmann said he had distributed two articles to the class at his daughter's high school, discussing the pros and cons of harsh interrogation techniques in circumstances such as when a suspect knows of an imminent attack. "I set out the scenarios ... to try to show it's a complex question," he said.
Binalshibh was absent from Monday's session, but appeared on Tuesday after his co-defendants urged him in a letter to appear and Kohlmann ordered that he be brought in by force if necessary. Binalshibh appeared relaxed and unrestrained at the hearing, and chatted with co-defendants.
Binalshibh has been seen by military psychiatrists seeking to determine his mental competence to act as his own attorney, and his military lawyer, Navy Cmdr. Suzanne Lachelier, said he was taking an antischizophrenia medication.
Binalshibh said he did not trust his lawyer and was able to act on his own behalf, an issue Kohlmann put off pending the competency report. "She is acting against me," Binalshibh said. "I do not need her to respond for me."
By Randall Mikkelsen Reuters - Tuesday, September 23 08:31 pm
GUANTANAMO BAY U.S. NAVAL BASE, Cuba, Sept 23 -
09-24-08, 01:12 AM #2
I think they should have been executed along time ago. But then again me and the ACLU never did get along'Political Correctness is a doctrine fostered by a
delusional, illogical liberal minority, and rabidly
promoted by an unscrupulous mainstream media, which
holds forth the proposition that it is entirely
possible to pick up a turd by the clean end!'
“A fear of weapons is a sign of retarded sexual and emotional maturity.” Sigmund Freud
09-24-08, 02:07 PM #3
09-24-08, 02:27 PM #4That which does not kill me, better start fucking running.
If I lived every day like it was my last, the body count would be staggering.
I intend to go in harm's way. -John Paul Jones
Hunt the wolf, and bring light to the dark places that others fear to go. LT COL Dave Grossman
I'd be a better people person if I was around better people.
09-24-08, 02:36 PM #5
I say give them a fair trial , a last meal of bacon and pork chops, execute them and buried them under a pig pen. I hope the ACLU understands my position on the issue. If not , F*%# 'em.SI VIS PACEM PARA BELLUM-Ex-Sheriff Martin Howe to Will Kane in "High Noon"
"It's a great life. You risk your skin catching killers and the juries turn them loose so they can come back and shoot at you again. If your honest , your poor your whole life. And , In the end , you wind up dying all alone on some dirty street. For what? For nothing. For a tin star."
Far from being a handicap to command, compassion is the measure of it. For unless one values the lives of his soldiers and is tormented by their ordeals , he is unfit to command.
-General Omar Bradley, United States Army
09-24-08, 07:29 PM #6
Man, that impressed me............now kill the bastards!!"And don't go home, and don't go to eat, and don't play with yourself. It wouldn't look nice on my highway", Buford T. Justice
#1 Rule in Police: Sometimes its easier to ask Forgiveness than it is to ask Permission
No one knows what it's like
To be the bad man
To be the sad man
Behind blue eyes
09-24-08, 07:33 PM #7
Well, considering the only reason he doesn't want his "court-appointed" lawyer is because it's a SHE named Suzanne, hopefully he does act as his own lawyer and screws it up.--"D.B.A.D." --Me
--Life's tough...it's tougher if you're stupid.
--"Genius may have its limitations, but stupidity is not thus handicapped." -Elbert Hubbard
09-24-08, 09:05 PM #8
Fuck him if he misses the joke and the fact that it's on him.I'm your huckleberry...
Quemadmoeum gladis nemeinum occidit, occidentus telum est!
You can be the weapon, and the gun in your hand is a tool - or the gun is a weapon and you are the tool.
I was looking for a saint who was a devil of a lover,
but every girl I found was either one way or the other...
09-24-08, 10:41 PM #9
Timothy McVey was given due process and pushed daisies faster...
Allow venue to any State court that was flown from, into, or over during the attacks of September 11th and allow the States to mete the justice. It will be handled more swiftly, more exactly, more efficiently, and perhaps even with better finality.
The feds always err when they try to reinvent the wheel.
"The American Republic will endure until the day Congress discovers that it can bribe the public with the public's money."
- Alexis de Tocqueville, Democracy in America
Tell me not, Sweet, I am unkind,
That from the nunnery
Of thy chaste breast and quiet mind
To war and arms I fly. - Lovelace
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