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    Unhappy Wow...that poor little kid

    Kidnappers kill boy with acid injection

    14:03 AEST Tue Nov 4 2008
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    Morena's mother, Laura Vega, speaks in her home after her son was found murdered.




    Kidnappers grabbed a five-year-old boy from a gritty Mexico City street market and later killed him by injecting acid into his heart, in a new low even for Mexico's brutal kidnapping gangs.

    The boy, Javier Morena, was the oldest son of a poor family that sold fruit at a market in the tough neighbourhood of Iztapalapa - proof that the plague of kidnappings for ransom afflicts the working class as well as the wealthy.
    Javier disappeared while playing at the market on October 26, Mexico City authorities said on Monday.

    The boy's family spent days looking for him, finally persuading a local television station to post his picture on the news three days later.
    A taxi driver recognised the boy, and went to the market to find the family. He told them that he had given the boy and a teenager a ride from the market to nearby Mexico state, and the teenager had told him the boy was crying because his younger brother had been stolen.

    The driver dropped the two off a block from the police station, and the teenager told him they were meeting the boy's mother there.
    The family showed the driver a picture of their son. Also in the picture was a 17-year-old family friend, who the driver recognised as the alleged kidnapper.

    The police raided the 17-year-old's home, and he and his family and two others confessed to having killed the boy before they could ask for a 300,000 peso ($A34,000) ransom, Mexico City Attorney-General Miguel Mancera said.
    Mancera said the assailants injected the boy with acid and buried him on a hill outside the capital when they feared they were being sought by police.

    Five suspected kidnappers, including the 17-year-old and a woman, are under arrest. It was unclear if the group have carried out other kidnappings.
    Javier was buried on Monday.

    Hours later, sitting in her home of cinderblock and corrugated tin, the boy's mother, Laura Vega, said she has no idea why the kidnappers targeted her family.
    But she said she felt they should face the death penalty, long banned in Mexico, and that they should "suffer the way my son suffered".
    "He didn't have to die like that, far from his parents," she said, her eyes red and swollen from crying.
    "If he had to go to God, it shouldn't have been like that."
    The child's death recalled the recent kidnapping and slaying of Fernando Marti, the 14-year-old son of a sporting goods magnate whose death prompted a national outcry against crime.

    Fernando's decomposing body was found in the boot of a car even though his family reportedly paid a ransom. Prosecutors said a federal lawman was part of the gang that kidnapped Marti.

    Outrage over that case prompted more than 100,000 people to march through Mexico City in August to demand an end to endemic police corruption and rising crime.
    Mexico has one of the world's highest kidnapping rates. There are on average 65 cases per month nationwide, according to the federal Attorney-General's Office, which blames a growing web of drug cartels, current and former police officers and informants who point out potentially lucrative victims.

    Most kidnappings go unreported for fear of police involvement.
    The non-profit Citizens Institute for Crime Studies estimates the real kidnapping rate to be more than 500 per month.
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    Holy shit. I would lose my job if offered five minutes alone with that filthy fucking family. No guns, no knives, just five minutes alone with my bare hands and their pliable windpipes. Maybe cap it off with a rusty syringe and a gallon of antifreeze.

    God, there are times when I think that there's no hope for us.
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    That is unbelievably horrible -- May the poor child RIP.
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    What a horrible way to die...poor kid.
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    May you rest well, Javier. May those who did this to you never again know a moment's rest, but instead forever more know the fear and pain you experienced at their hands.

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    And people in this country get mad at Mexicans for coming here.

    I think I'm gonna go watch Man on Fire about fifteen times- especially the C-4 up the ass scene.

    It's people that do this to children that honestly make me question humanity's fate. You see something like the lunar landing or Mars missions, and you think we really have a shot at evolving- but then you a story like this to remind you that some of us are little more than animals.
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    It's cases like this where I think the jury should have the option of specifying that the method of execution should be the same as the method he or she used to kill the victim.

    Tell me THAT wouldn't provide a deterrence!!!

    Some people would say it's taking "cruel and unusual" to the limit, but I don't think "punishment in kind" is really the same as being "cruel", even though it may fit the dictionary definition of cruel.

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    The revenge from Man on Fire would not even begin to bring justice for that disgusting act. Eternal fire and gnashing of teeth for the killers...
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    Quote Originally Posted by 121Traffic View Post

    God, there are times when I think that there's no hope for us.
    Agreed. That poor child.




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    Terrible way to go...
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    Quote Originally Posted by 121Traffic View Post
    Holy shit. I would lose my job if offered five minutes alone with that filthy fucking family. No guns, no knives, just five minutes alone with my bare hands and their pliable windpipes. Maybe cap it off with a rusty syringe and a gallon of antifreeze.

    God, there are times when I think that there's no hope for us.
    +1


    Maybe instead of antifreeze use bleach or lye. Antifreeze would be a little too quick and easy


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    Quote Originally Posted by Rhino View Post
    And people in this country get mad at Mexicans for coming here.

    I think I'm gonna go watch Man on Fire about fifteen times- especially the C-4 up the ass scene.

    It's people that do this to children that honestly make me question humanity's fate. You see something like the lunar landing or Mars missions, and you think we really have a shot at evolving- but then you a story like this to remind you that some of us are little more than animals.
    Unfortunately, the criminals want to come here too, and they commit the same crimes. There have been at least two kidnapping rings busted in my area, and there are probably many more unreported kidnappings.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TXCharlie View Post
    It's cases like this where I think the jury should have the option of specifying that the method of execution should be the same as the method he or she used to kill the victim.

    Tell me THAT wouldn't provide a deterrence!!!

    Some people would say it's taking "cruel and unusual" to the limit, but I don't think "punishment in kind" is really the same as being "cruel", even though it may fit the dictionary definition of cruel.
    Seems to me I have read of something like that before I beilieve it went something to the effect of..."An eye for an eye and a tooth for a tooth"

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    Quote Originally Posted by TXCharlie View Post
    It's cases like this where I think the jury should have the option of specifying that the method of execution should be the same as the method he or she used to kill the victim.

    Tell me THAT wouldn't provide a deterrence!!!

    Some people would say it's taking "cruel and unusual" to the limit, but I don't think "punishment in kind" is really the same as being "cruel", even though it may fit the dictionary definition of cruel.

    I agree with you -- but I dont have much faith in our juries to chose that sort of punishment.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mavriktu View Post
    Seems to me I have read of something like that before I beilieve it went something to the effect of..."An eye for an eye and a tooth for a tooth"
    Exactly - Sometimes old ideas are best.

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    I agree with you -- but I dont have much faith in our juries to chose that sort of punishment.
    Me either - and the appeals would probably go through the roof.

    But that's ok - juries need to take their job more seriously, and be sure of the evidence before they vote guilty or innocent. There have been too many juries that voted guilty on flimsy evidence, simply because they were pressured into making a decision with too little information - And voted guilty for the same reason.

    One thing I think is sorely missing in the courtroom is the ability of jurors to ask questions of the witnesses, like they do in Grand Juries. I'm been on more than one jury where I could wring the prosecuting attorney's or defendant's attorney's neck for either not following up on a question, or not challenging an answer from a witness.

    As a result, we went to the jury room with too little information and/or jurors that did not completely understand the evidence in front of them, because they could not ask questions.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TXCharlie View Post
    Exactly - Sometimes old ideas are best.



    Me either - and the appeals would probably go through the roof.

    But that's ok - juries need to take their job more seriously, and be sure of the evidence before they vote guilty or innocent. There have been too many juries that voted guilty on flimsy evidence, simply because they were pressured into making a decision with too little information - And voted guilty for the same reason.

    One thing I think is sorely missing in the courtroom is the ability of jurors to ask questions of the witnesses, like they do in Grand Juries. I'm been on more than one jury where I could wring the prosecuting attorney's or defendant's attorney's neck for either not following up on a question, or not challenging an answer from a witness.

    As a result, we went to the jury room with too little information and/or jurors that did not completely understand the evidence in front of them, because they could not ask questions.
    Here the jury does have the right and ability to ask questions. They are handwritten and passed to the judge via the baliff. They are asked at the end of the questioning by either the state or defense.
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    We can ask the Judge questions too - but he normally doesn't clarify evidence or testimony, and doesn't pass the questions along to witnesses or attorneys - all he does is clarify procedure and points of law, at least that's all our judges did.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TXCharlie View Post
    We can ask the Judge questions too - but he normally doesn't clarify evidence or testimony, and doesn't pass the questions along to witnesses or attorneys - all he does is clarify procedure and points of law, at least that's all our judges did.

    I should have added. The questions can be asked of all witnesses on the stand.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mavriktu View Post
    Seems to me I have read of something like that before I beilieve it went something to the effect of..."An eye for an eye and a tooth for a tooth"
    I'm sure someone would say that would be a seperation of church and state issue
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