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    Bringing more Terrorists here, WTF???

    Barack Obama plans quick transfer of Guantanamo Bay suspects to US


    Barack Obama will move swiftly to close Guantanamo Bay as soon as he takes office, his aides revealed today, a clear and early sign of how aggressively he wants to break with President Bush the moment he is sworn in.
    Mr Obama is planning to ship dozens of terror suspects from the prison to face criminal trial in the US as part of a plan to shut the jail down. It is a controversial move but one that demonstrates how abruptly he plans to change Washington in terms of policy, personnel and tone the moment he enters the Oval Office.
    Mr Obama has said he wants to hit the ground running, and already details of his ambitious agenda - as he seeks to turn his back on the Bush-era - are becoming clear. He has vowed to start immediately removing combat troops from Iraq, although in recent weeks he has become more opaque about the speed of withdrawal.
    Rahm Emmanuel, Mr Obama's choice for White House chief of staff, said on Sunday that the president-elect will also waste no time in pushing ahead with a new, middle-class tax cut, and a tax increase for the wealthiest Americans - a sharp break with Mr Bush.
    Mr Emmanuel added that Mr Obama would act quickly to expand health insurance coverage and reverse course on Mr Bush's energy policy, although such an agenda is hugely expensive and could be imperilled by the worsening economy and a rapidly increasing budget deficit.
    One of Mr Obama's first acts could be to use the power of executive authority - which enables presidents to take action without an Act of Congress - to block the expansion of oil drilling in the Utah wilderness that Mr Bush authorised by executive order. He is also looking to use the same power to quickly lift the limits on stem cell research imposed by Mr Bush.
    Yet it is the closure of Guantanamo Bay that Mr Obama believes would provide one of the starkest and most high-impact demonstrations of how he intends to seek immediate change.
    He is looking at creating a new "terrorism court" on the US mainland to try up to 80 terror suspects, including Khalid Sheikh Mohammed, the self-confessed September 11 mastermind. Mr Obama said last week that he would close the prison "as quickly as we can do prudently".
    Yet the move will face stiff opposition from many Republicans on Capitol Hill and a substantial number of Americans, who strongly oppose bringing terror suspects to US soil with traditional rules of evidence that give those being prosecuted the presumption of innocence.
    Mr Bush refused to countenance trials on the American mainland and was finally forced by the US Supreme Court this year to allow detainees the right to have the legality of their detention adjudicated in a federal court in Washington.
    Closing the jail on the US Naval base in Cuba could also create myriad other problems. Of the 255 detainees still being held there, experts believe well over 100 will probably never be charged, because there is little or no evidence linking them to terrorism.
    Yet a significant number of their home countries are refusing to take them back, leaving Mr Obama with the politically difficult problem of what to do with them once they have been released. Housing them in the US, or giving them asylum, could prove to be highly controversial.
    The legal team advising Mr Obama on Guantanamo believe that prosecuting the "high-value" terror suspects such Mohammed - a group of only about 30 - will require the creation of a special new court designed especially to handle highly sensitive intelligence material, a cross between a military tribunal and a federal court.
    Prosecuting such high-value detainees in open federal court presents a host of problems. Evidence obtained by military interrogation would likely be thrown out. Defendants would have the right to confront witnesses, leaving undercover CIA offices or undercover informers to take the stand.
    Laurence Tribe, a Harvard law professor who has been advising Mr Obama on the issue, said closing the prison was a top priority. He conceded that moving the prisoners onto US soil will be controversial, but added: "We can't put people in a dungeon forever without processing whether they deserve to be there."
    Mr Obama also faces doubts from many Democrats who distrust a court that gives detainees anything less than the full constitutional and legal rights afforded normal defendants. "There would be a concern about establishing a completely new system," said Adam Schiff, a Democratic member of the House Judiciary Committee who is aware of the discussions inside the Obama camp.
    Although a new hybrid court could prove to be unpopular, Mr Obama's advisers say he has few other options if he wants to close Guantanamo. Mr Tribe said he expects him to move quickly. "In reality...the idea that we have people in legal black holes is an extremely serious black mark," he said.
    I'm not ruining your life, you are, and I'm just going to write a short story about it.

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    When the same idiot judges we struggle with let the terrorists go on technicalities will we then offer them citizenship amnesty?
    Pleasing nobody, one person at a time.

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    Purely symbolic bullshit to appease - yes that is right APPEASE - the nation states who sponsor these villains.

    Sigh.
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    Quote Originally Posted by maclean View Post
    Purely symbolic bullshit to appease - yes that is right APPEASE - the nation states who sponsor these villains.

    Sigh.
    Appease is such an ugly word for peace.
    Pleasing nobody, one person at a time.

    That which does not kill me, better start fucking running.

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    My problem is during the trials that our modus operandi will be exposed to cross examination. We will teach the next wave of terrorist how we operate, and we will teach them to be better at attacking us without getting caught. [Five-0 nods head in disbelief and disgust]

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    If this is true then we might as well give them the firepower and wear signs that say "Shoot Here" .


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    Hell put them all on probation and ship them to San Francisco. You won't even notice them there. They'll blend in with " I Hate America" crowd.
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    The scary thing is that San Francisco will probably welcome them with open arms. I think its time to build a wall around that city.


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    Quote Originally Posted by CTR man View Post
    The scary thing is that San Francisco will probably welcome them with open arms. I think its time to build a wall around that city.
    I realize it was LA in the movie, but...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Xiphos View Post
    Appease is such an ugly word for peace.
    I believe Churchill said something like "An appeaser is someone who hopes the lion will eat him last."
    For the morning will come. Brightly will it shine on the brave and true, kindly upon all who suffer for the cause, glorious upon the tombs of heroes. Thus will shine the dawn.

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    I just can not comprehend the idea of wanting to bring more terrorists onto our soil.
    We know we have sleeper cells here already. Why would we want to bring more confirmed (almost) terrorists here when another place has accepted their detainment in another place???
    I'm not ruining your life, you are, and I'm just going to write a short story about it.

 

 

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