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    Some Mexicans leaving US, planning never to return

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    Some Mexicans leaving US, planning never to return




    By IVAN MORENO , Associated Press Writer
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    DENVER —

    After going months without a full-time job, Daniel Ramirez has decided it's time to return to family in Mexico.

    Vicenta Rodriguez Lopez says she can't afford to live in Colorado any more because her husband was deported.

    Roberto Espinoza is going back, too. After 18 years as a mechanic for a General Motors dealership in Denver, his work permit wasn't renewed and he didn't want to remain in the country illegally.

    All are leaving Colorado in time for Christmas - joining a traditional holiday migration that will number almost 1 million people, says Mexico's interior ministry. But they have no intention of returning to Colorado, a place that promised prosperity.

    Layoffs, dwindling job opportunities, anti-immigrant sentiment and the crackdown on illegal immigrants are forcing hard choices on many Mexican nationals in Colorado. Though not an exodus, some are returning to a nation they haven't seen in years.

    "You despair. You think, 'I used to earn $600 a week and now I'm getting half of that a week?'" said Ramirez, 38, who lost his Denver construction job in August. He left last week, driving to San Luis Potosi in central Mexico.

    Mexico's consul general in Denver, Eduardo Arnal, said more people like Ramirez are going home for good.

    He cites a rise in applications for import tax exemptions by Mexican nationals bringing home their belongings. The consulate hasn't compiled statistics for 2008 but says it receives about three applications a day, compared to one per week in 2007.

    "We've seen an increase in this service, which implies that there's a tendency among a larger number of Mexicans who are returning home definitively," Arnal said in an interview in Spanish.

    Nationally, 1,809 Mexican immigrants filed for the exemption between January and August, compared to 1,447 the same period last year - a 25 percent increase, according to Mexico's foreign affairs ministry.

    That's hardly an indicator of reverse migration, noted Carlos Rico, Mexico's undersecretary for North American affairs. Rico said what is known is that Mexicans are moving to other U.S. states - often places that historically have not seen a large population of Mexicans.

    They include North Carolina, Georgia, Idaho and Alaska, Rico said.

    Whether for economic or anti-immigrant reasons, Rico said, "People are looking for alternatives within the United States."

    An estimated 243,253 Mexicans lived in Colorado in 2007, down from 254,844 in 2006, according to the U.S. Census. The state's construction industry, a traditional source of employment for Mexicans, is contracting, and University of Colorado economists expect the state to lose 11,200 construction jobs next year.

    Nationally, remittances to Mexico are down, as is Mexican emigration to the U.S.

    August remittances totaled $1.9 billion, down 12 percent from August 2007, Mexico's Central Bank says. It's the first drop since the bank began tracking remittances in 1996.

    Mexico's National Statistics and Geography Institute estimates that 814,000 Mexicans emigrated to the U.S. in 2006, compared to 1.2 million in 2007.

    Arnal noted that Mexico's economy is growing, albeit modestly. Mexico's Treasury

    Department reported a 1.7 percent growth rate for the third quarter and forecasts 2 percent growth for the year.

    But hard times, not tepid growth back home, are prompting some Colorado Mexicans to leave.

    Espinoza said the recession's onset took him by surprise. He'll be seeing his country for the first time in nearly two decades.

    "I miss my country," said Espinoza, 34, who is returning to Guadalajara, Jalisco.

    Vicenta Rodriguez Lopez lives in Severance, about 60 miles north of Denver. She's leaving for the Mexican state of Sinaloa after 15 years because her husband, who worked at a ranch dairy, was deported for being here illegally.

    "He told me to pack up everything," Rodriguez, 40, said in Spanish. "We're not young anymore."

    Her 21-year-old son, also in the country illegally, plans on staying.

    Jesus Luna, 30, is returning to Puebla with his wife and two children after nearly four years in Colorado Springs. His reasons aren't entirely economic. His parents are ailing. Packing things he said have been so easily accumulated here - bikes, toys, a washer and other appliances - he will be driving nearly 40 hours to arrive in time for Christmas parties.

    "You know how it is - eating and more eating," he said, smiling.

    Still others return on their own terms, having accrued the wealth to let them live their dreams in Mexico.

    "I can't complain. I have a job and I am able to come back if I want," said Gustavo

    Camacho, 43, who works for a firm digging trenches for electrical cables in Denver.

    Camacho, who is from Jalisco, has been here twice, from 1999-2003 and again since 2005.

    The first time, he saved enough money for a house in Jalisco. This time, he has enough to start a business - either a car repair shop or selling food on the street.

    He wants his six children to grow up in Mexico, where he thinks family values are stronger.

    "I'll miss it," Camacho said about his time in Colorado. "But you always miss something, whether you're here or in Mexico.

    "I might even miss the weather."


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    Wow! All I can say is, Adios!! !Feliz Navidad y Prospero Ano Nuevo!
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    I'm OK with them going back.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PapaBear View Post
    Wow! All I can say is, Adios!! !Feliz Navidad y Prospero Ano Nuevo!
    Maybe after seeing how much effort you are making to wish the happy holidays in their own language they'll change their minds and decide to stay after all!

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    Well all I can say is; "Dont let the Border hit you in the ass on the way out!!!"
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    Was this story intended to make ANYONE sad?
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    Well if only we could get all the illegal ones out, then there would be plenty of jobs for the ones that are here legally. That would be fine by me.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jenna View Post
    Maybe after seeing how much effort you are making to wish the happy holidays in their own language they'll change their minds and decide to stay after all!
    Nah, he's just showing them that you can learn a second language if you aren't too lazy......
    Good thought for people moving to a new country (that has it's own language) to remember.
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    I don't see the down side of this article. Don't get me wrong, I have absolutely NO problem with people immigrating here legally. BUT, if you're here illegally and using our already scarce (in this economy) resources, GTFO.
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    So where am I supposed to feel sorry for them? As in the words of irishmick.... GTFO !!!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ducky View Post
    Get out and take your gangs with you.
    That's a big +infinity.

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    Was this story intended to make ANYONE sad?
    Quote Originally Posted by irishmick View Post
    I don't see the down side of this article. Don't get me wrong, I have absolutely NO problem with people immigrating here legally. BUT, if you're here illegally and using our already scarce (in this economy) resources, GTFO.
    another +infinity.

    Quote Originally Posted by pgg View Post
    So where am I supposed to feel sorry for them? As in the words of irishmick.... GTFO !!!
    No Sadness on my part. I hope ALL the illegals GTFO, and take their gang members with them.


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    now who are we going to use for manuel labor. wait I got now we can cut back on welfare and the economically disenfranchise can get jobs so they regain their sense of pride and self worth.
    yea right like that's going to happen.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JLK View Post
    now who are we going to use for manuel labor. wait I got now we can cut back on welfare and the economically disenfranchise can get jobs so they regain their sense of pride and self worth.
    yea right like that's going to happen.
    I think if people are on welfare they should be REQUIRED to do work to earn that money. Just think if they are in the fields maybe they would be to tired to make more babies, or get into drivebys etc.
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    Quote Originally Posted by pgg View Post
    I think if people are on welfare they should be REQUIRED to do work to earn that money. Just think if they are in the fields maybe they would be to tired to make more babies, or get into drivebys etc.
    That's called workfare. Maybe people could be employed on cheaper jobs and that would give them incentive to either stay in their current jobs or go out and find something better than what they are presently doing. The laziness has to stop.

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    Traditionally in developed countries, the unemployed have been given state welfare benefits until they find new jobs. They have not been required to do anything in exchange for this “dole money”, other than be actively seeking and available for work (although this can be hard for the government to ensure). Workfare was originally developed by some U.S. states as an alternative to this traditional model; instead the unemployed have to work on government-approved schemes or lose their welfare benefits. Now widely applied in the USA as a result of federal legislation in the mid-1990s, workfare is being increasingly introduced, or at least considered, by other developed countries (for example, Canada and the UK). Models vary widely in their approach, but in many schemes welfare recipients are offered the alternatives of training courses or government-subsidised workfare schemes. Usually an unemployed person is paid benefit for a specified number of months, and only if they fail to find a job at the end of this period does workfare apply.


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