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03-14-06, 08:49 PM #1
St. Louis Officer fired after civilians claim he punched a driver on a traffic stop
The St. Louis Police Board on Saturday fired an officer who was accused of punching a driver in the face during a traffic stop.
It was an ironic ending to a week that saw the Board of Aldermen approve the formation of a new panel to investigate police misconduct cases.
Proponents of civilian oversight, which is common in other big U.S. cities, have said it is needed to make the St. Louis police more accountable to the public.
After a seven-hour administrative trial, the board voted 3-0 to fire Christopher Nazetta, 27, who had been on the force since 2001.
Mayor Francis Slay, who sits on the board, was absent. Board members Michael Quinn, Chris Goodson and Jo Ann Freeman left without taking a reporter's questions.
Marvin Jones, 19, alleged that the rough treatment took place Jan. 2, 2005. Two cousins in his Jeep Grand Cherokee backed up his claim, and a 15-year-old testified he saw from across the street Nazetta swing at Jones.
Nazetta's lawyers claimed he grabbed, but did not punch, Jones. Supervisors testified that he was an exemplary officer.
Nazetta had been accused of misconduct twice before. Last June, he was suspended for a day without pay for using pepper spray on a 69-year-old grandmother.
Jim Towey, a lawyer for Nazetta, said he was surprised by the verdict, but praised the Police Board for being the de-facto "civilian review board since the Civil War."
With all the criticism, "There wasn't one person from the public safety commission of the Board of Aldermen here today to watch the civilian review board do their job," he said.
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03-15-06, 12:16 AM #2Signal_W Guest
Damn, If I was an LEO in Saint Louis I would be looking for a lateral.
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03-15-06, 02:20 PM #3To anywhere.
Originally Posted by Signal_W
St. Louis is a rough city and sometimes you have to be rough.'The Art of War' teaches us to "Rely not on the likelihood of the enemy's coming, but on our own readiness to receive him"--Sun Tsu
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03-15-06, 02:54 PM #4
I think I woulda got another lawyer based on what his said afterwards.
If he'd been found guilty of that in my dept, he wouldn't be fired. He'd get some time off for it though. Especially after OC'ing the old lady. The article doesn't tell much about the incident, but off the top it looks like he didn't use some common sense. If you're gonna punch somebody, you better be aware of who and who isn't around to witness it.
Many years ago in a trial:
Defense lawyer: Officer, did you hit the defendant in the face with your fist?
Me: Yes sir. Just as hard as I could.When I used to be somebody (I'm center top)
"A burning desire for social justice is never a substitute for knowing what you're talking about". -Thomas Sowell-
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03-16-06, 12:19 PM #5
The St. Louis Metropolitan P.D. is being pushed to implement a Civillian Review Board. Currently the Board of Police Commisioners hears these cases. Some believe it's an attempt to show the Review Board advocates that the Board does take disciplinary issues seriously and fire officers. This has happened several times recently.
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03-16-06, 12:47 PM #6Indy Guest
Of course the guys buddies backed him up, and the 15 yr old could just as easily have seen him lunge into the car to grab the guy, but thought he was punching him.
Can something like that be appealed like a regular trial?
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03-16-06, 01:56 PM #7
The guy's working in construction right now but plans on appealing. Then the courts.
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03-16-06, 02:06 PM #8Signal_W GuestThat is a disgrace to the city of Saint Louis they be ashamed of themselves for allowing this to happen. This man busts his ass everyday and they let some shit-head take him down.
Originally Posted by Dudleydoright
Why was he fired? usually they will just suspend someone for a few days.
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03-16-06, 02:21 PM #9+1 1/2
Originally Posted by Retdetsgt
Suppose any motorists have flipped him off lately?The guy's working in construction right now but plans on appealing.
"Look, just give me some inner peace or I'll mop the floor with you!"
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03-16-06, 04:25 PM #10That's my problem with civilian review boards deciding discipline. We have sort of that, but they don't really have much power. They can look into an incident and make recommendations, but they aren't binding on the chief.
Originally Posted by Signal_W
When I used to be somebody (I'm center top)
"A burning desire for social justice is never a substitute for knowing what you're talking about". -Thomas Sowell-
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03-17-06, 04:42 AM #11
You have to understand that St.Louis is not like any other place in this country and sometimes has some of the most backassward thinking among its higher ups in the police dept and in the city Gov. I for one hope that Chris shoves it right up their ass. and I can bet that the 15 yo that was standing on the corner was one of the fine upstanding citizens just like the cuzzzins that were in the car with the so called victim
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03-17-06, 10:06 AM #12Indy Guestlmao!
Originally Posted by SS19crew
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03-17-06, 02:07 PM #13Uh no, that's not backward ass thinking, that's super liberal thinking. I was a cop during the backward ass times.
Originally Posted by SS19crew
Then the complaint would have gotten no further than the person who took the complaint.
When I used to be somebody (I'm center top)
"A burning desire for social justice is never a substitute for knowing what you're talking about". -Thomas Sowell-
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