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    Young Marine faces expulsion for fake drill team guns

    Unfuckingbelievable.

    Student faces expulsion for fake drill team guns

    9NEWS.com | Colorado's Online News Leader | Student faces expulsion for fake drill team guns

    AURORA - A local school district has suspended a member of the Young Marines youth leadership group after students saw drill props in her vehicle.



    Marie Morrow, a 17-year-old senior at Cherokee Trail High School in Aurora, is serving a 10-day suspension. Her punishment could be extended at an expulsion hearing later this month.

    Morrow is a student leader in the Douglas County Young Marines, a group dedicated to teaching leadership and life skills.

    Cherry Creek Schools suspended Morrow after other students reported seeing guns inside her SUV, which was parked outside school while she was in class.

    The school also called police, who seized the three drill team guns made of wood, plastic and duct tape. Police told Morrow to claim them in time for her after-school drill practice off-campus.

    School administrators, however, were less understanding. The guns were declared "authentic representations of genuine weapons," triggering a mandatory expulsion statute in state law.

    "I have never been in trouble at all," said Morrow, who is planning to attend the United States Merchant Marine Academy. "I hadn't imagined in a million years that anything like this would have happened."

    Chris Proctor, commanding officer of the Douglas County Young Marines, was rebuffed in his attempt to explain the props to school leaders.

    "There's no mistaking that these are not real rifles," said Proctor. "I think somewhere along the line, logic has to take over and they have to be able to make exceptions to the rules."

    "Marie is one of the best kids that you could ever imagine," he said.

    "I could see where the school could be freaked out about it," said Morrow. "But I think there should be some leeway with the law based on situations and realize this is just an honest mistake."

    "The law doesn't make any distinction between a genuine weapon and a facsimile," said Cherry Creek Schools spokeswoman Tustin Amole.

    Amole says federal and state laws mandate expulsion, and that school districts only have discretion to determine the length of that expulsion.

    Asked who had the discretion to deem the props "dangerous weapons," Amole said school administrators and police made the decision based on state law that defines a "dangerous weapon" as "a firearm, whether loaded or unloaded, or a firearm facsimile that could reasonably be mistaken for an actual firearm."

    Amole said the props in Morrow's vehicle caused concern among students and administrators who made an "assumption" that the weapons appeared "genuine."

    Morrow's mother grew emotional while saying she hoped her daughter would continue her volunteer and service work despite the incident.

    "I just don't want it to affect her view on the world, (make her believe) that people who do the right thing don't come out on top," said her mother, Jennifer McGrew. "I've always kind of really looked up to my daughter for having a mind of her own and going places that I never even dreamed."

    A hearing officer could recommend Morrow be allowed back in school after her 10-day suspension or could expel her for as much as the rest of her senior year. The final decision belongs to the Cherry Creek Schools superintendent.

    Morrow, who has already secured the necessary recommendation from a member of Congress to attend the Merchant Marine Academy, has been told an expulsion would not derail her eventual acceptance to the Academy.

    "As long as I can get my diploma, I guess everything else will work itself out," said Morrow, who explained she's trying to focus on her planned career of service. "It's not going to be the end of the world."
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    So this is what we have come to in this Liberal world. And to think when I went to High School myself and most other hunters would have our guns in our vehicles so we could hunt going to school and after school. To think we made it out alive without the Liberals sticking their noses in our business......how did we do it??
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    *cough*complete*cough*bullshit *cough*cough

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    Quote Originally Posted by BigDawg View Post
    So this is what we have come to in this Liberal world. And to think when I went to High School myself and most other hunters would have our guns in our vehicles so we could hunt going to school and after school. To think we made it out alive without the Liberals sticking their noses in our business......how did we do it??
    Right there with you and I graduated in the 90's. WTF.

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    A second CB's opinion:






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    "I think somewhere along the line, logic has to take over and they have to be able to make exceptions to the rules."
    And therein lies the problem - a lack of logic that has permeated all levels of our society today.

    "The law doesn't make any distinction between a genuine weapon and a facsimile," said Cherry Creek Schools spokeswoman Tustin Amole.
    Amole says federal and state laws mandate expulsion, and that school districts only have discretion to determine the length of that expulsion.
    Apparently, Ms. Amole isn't acutely familiar with her own district's policy:

    "Carrying, bringing, using or possessing a dangerous weapon in any school building, on school grounds, in any school vehicle or at any
    school-sponsored activity or event without the authorization of the school or the school district is prohibited. An exception to this policy
    may be made for students participating in an authorized extracurricular activity or team involving the use of firearms."


    Clearly, there is some level of discretion allowed. There is language which does define the weapon and/or fascimile. In this case:
    "A firearm, whether loaded or unloaded, or a firearm facsimile that could reasonably be mistaken for an actual firearm." I'll give those who peered into the darkly-tinted window's of the SUV the benefit of the doubt. Yet, once the officers examined the items, putting it all into context, the school employees should have used the appropriate - and allowable - discretion.
    (For those interested, the policy in it's entireity may be found at http://www.ccsd.k12.co.us/documents/...uctEnglish.pdf )


    Ms. Amole would likely have become apoplectic if she saw me teaching new students to spin rifles on my local high school campus this week. As someone who has taught marching band colorguards for years, including dare I say r-i-f-l-e-s, I find it appaling that the school would have such a reaction in this young woman's situation. If she were engaging in horseplay with the guard rifles, that would be a different story. I have always counseled my students to be mindful of the appearance of their rifles, and to never leave them in plain sight in a vehicle, lest the rifles be a target of theft.

    While the Young Marines program does not appear to be an on-campus extra-curricular activity, the school and district staff have clearly taken this situation out of appropriate context. The program is, however, a nationally recognized and respected organization that promotes character-building and leadership. God bless this young woman for choosing the discipline to better not only herself, but those around her.

    As an interesting aside, the same weapons policy the district is hiding under states the following:

    "If a student discovers that he or she has carried, brought or is in possession of a dangerous weapon and the student notifies a teacher,
    administrator or other authorized person in the school district, and as soon as possible delivers the dangerous weapon to that person,
    expulsion shall not be mandatory and such action shall be considered when determining appropriate disciplinary action, if any."


    So in accordance with said policy, let's say Johnny Slime gets to school and realizes, "Damn, I left my Glock in my backpack!" Apparently, he would receive less discipline if he were to go to the office and hand the principal his weapon, explaining his oversight.


    Morrow, who has already secured the necessary recommendation from a member of Congress to attend the Merchant Marine Academy, has been told an expulsion would not derail her eventual acceptance to the Academy.

    "As long as I can get my diploma, I guess everything else will work itself out," said Morrow, who explained she's trying to focus on her planned career of service. "It's not going to be the end of the world."
    Ms. Morrow, I commend you on your positive attitude in this situation. May God bless you with much success for your dedication. Your mother's fear is reasonably based, since there will be people in your future who will fight against you when you choose to do what is right. May you persevere, knowing there are many who support you.
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    That's insane. I feel really bad for her...
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    This is why Zero Tolerance policies are really Zero Brains policies. If I was called to that school for that I'd laugh in their faces and walk away. Seizing wood drill props? WTF is wrong with people?
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    I remember having a conversation with my school superintendent about the shotgun in my truck and whether or not it was a good gun for pheasant hunting. And that was in 2001

    WTF is the world coming to.
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    The SO I used to work for in NC used to get calls to the schools all the time for stupid stuff. Such as a student with fingernail clippers, the school wanted the student removed for having a weapon!! Really since when have fingernail clippers been considered a weapon. Another Deputy was called for a student in HS that had motrin in her bag and that was against the school districts drug policy!! Needless to say we didnt do a report or arrest the student we told the school they were on their own for this.


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    What the fuck? What are people's issues with guns? FAKE GUNS AT THAT? And this absolute retardedness is why I hate liberal motherfuckers
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    Who were the officers that seized, for any duration, completely legal items?
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    Quote Originally Posted by maclean View Post
    Who were the officers that seized, for any duration, completely legal items?
    Good question. Someone should kick him in the nuts.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BigDawg View Post
    Really since when have fingernail clippers been considered a weapon.
    Ask TSA. Apparently, one can hijack a plane with them
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cool Breeze View Post
    Ask TSA. Apparently, one can hijack a plane with them
    Not to be a smart ass, but the best weapon on board an airplane is still located in every seat back pocket. Anyone wants to know, they can PM me for the answer. A demo in person is far more effective.

    The idea that we can weapon proof an airplane is about as silly as weapon proofing anywhere else.

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    Quote Originally Posted by countybear View Post
    *cough*complete*cough*bullshit *cough*cough
    Absolutely. That is just ridiculous.




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    Quote Originally Posted by BigDawg View Post
    What the hell are we becoming??
    A nation of stupid liberal lawyer type idiots, it seems.


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    Quote Originally Posted by maclean View Post
    Who were the officers that seized, for any duration, completely legal items?
    I was wondering the same thing...
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