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02-07-09, 11:03 AM #1
Florida Officer Resigns Over KKK Allegations
FRUITLAND PARK, Fla. --
A Fruitland Park police officer resigned after an investigation revealed that he was a member of the Ku Klux Klan. Eyewitness News discovered that officer James Elkins quit his job when the Fruitland Park Police Department opened an investigation.
Someone sent photographs of Elkins dressed as a KKK member and KKK certificates to the Lake County Sheriff's Office (see the photos). The agency decided to let the police chief of Fruitland Park handle the situation, but by that time Elkins had already quit.
James Elkins was off and on with the police department for nearly five years. In the pictures, Elkins was dressed in green and white with an old KKK uniform and a hand on his gun.
"Yes I am an ex-Klansman and I'm done," Elkins told Eyewitness News.
Elkins resigned two weeks ago after allegations that he was handing out KKK literature, which has recently surfaced in Brevard, Sumter and Lake counties.
"It took a long time to realize what was going on was wrong. I regret everything about that life. I wish I had never gotten involved," he said.
Eyewitness News confronted both Elkins and the police chief about the cases he may have handled involving minorities.
"Why not fire him on the spot?" WFTV reporter Kenneth Moton asked.
"Because the police bill of rights and I have to do an Internal Affairs investigation because it's an accusation," Fruitland Park Police Chief Mark Isom said.
Isom said an Internal Affairs investigation discovered the Sumter County PO Box on the KKK literature was registered to Elkins.
"It's an embarrassment to this department, it's disgusting and we do not tolerate this kind of conduct," Isom said.
Elkins said the pictures were taken within the last year while he was off-duty on workman's compensation.
Fruitland Park investigators said the KKK certificates with Elkins' name on them show he's been hiding behind the robes of hate since at least 2006.
"Were you racially profiling?" Moton asked Elkins.
"No sir," he responded.
"Are you looking at his stops?" Moton asked Chief Isom.
"No sir, because I think my supervisors would have caught that because he was never on by himself," Isom responded.
The chief admits he can't be sure Elkins wasn't trying to recruit others while on active duty.
"But I think the citizens in this town would have come forward to me," he said.
The chief said Elkins can't be stripped of his law enforcement certification, because he hasn't done anything criminally wrong.
Eyewitness News also asked the chief how he can be sure the other hooded men in the photographs were not law enforcement officers.
Chief Isom said they could be, but he doesn't believe they're on his force.
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02-07-09, 12:26 PM #2
Group association is not a crime, so I don't feel like he should have to resign. His membership should have been found out in a background investigation, and I would guess that it was. If he lied at any point, he should be shown the door, but absent some form of dishonesty I would say he should keep his job.
Also, he is an ex-member. He admits he regrets the decision to join. I am sure he is not the only cop in the U.S. with group associations in the past that they would like to forget"The inherent vice of Capitalism is the unequal sharing of its blessings; the inherent vice of Socialism is the equal sharing of its miseries." -Winston Churchill
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02-07-09, 12:44 PM #3
Disagree with you strongly , Ryan. Any officer that is found to be a member of an organization with the history of violence , hatred, intimidation and civil rights violations as the KKK should be fired. An officer that is a member of such an organization serves to undermine the public's confidence in law enforcement's ability to fairly and impartially enforce the law. I would personally question an officer's integrity and loyality toward law enforcement , if the officer was a member of such an organization as the KKK. I would feel the same way if the organization was the Hell's Angels , Black Panthers , Black Liberation Organization or any of the anti-government militia groups.
SI VIS PACEM PARA BELLUM-Ex-Sheriff Martin Howe to Will Kane in "High Noon"
"It's a great life. You risk your skin catching killers and the juries turn them loose so they can come back and shoot at you again. If your honest , your poor your whole life. And , In the end , you wind up dying all alone on some dirty street. For what? For nothing. For a tin star."
Far from being a handicap to command, compassion is the measure of it. For unless one values the lives of his soldiers and is tormented by their ordeals , he is unfit to command.
-General Omar Bradley, United States Army
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02-07-09, 12:58 PM #4
He resigned on his own not because he was told to. Good riddance. The KKK is nothing more than a terrorist organizatioin. These people are engaged in criminal activitiy and most won't do anything about it. The KKK is tolerated as are most organizations like them.
A person that has a life attitude based on the superiority of any race over another has NO business in law enforcement. We should be an organization of caring of all people equally. This is regardless of race, color, creed, religion etc.
You want me fired up? This will do it. (and yes it should have been found during the background investigation unless he joined the KKK after joining the agency)Do not war for peace. If you must war, war for justice. For without justice there is no peace. -me
We are who we choose to be.
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02-07-09, 01:19 PM #5The true measure of your character is what you choose to do when you think no one is looking.
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02-07-09, 01:58 PM #6Swamp Mafia

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02-07-09, 02:10 PM #7
Just to clarify, my personal belief is that the guy should be canned. I have no tolerance for hate groups of any form. The point of my post, which I failed to put into words properly, is that he should not be forced to resign over an error made by a B.I. If he was told he was good to go, I would guess that he assumed his prior associations did not matter.
My post was simply meant as an observation. When I said group association is not illegal I was referring to groups like gangs, outlaw motorcycle clubs, and racist groups. It isn't illegal to be a crip, but crips tend to do illegal things."The inherent vice of Capitalism is the unequal sharing of its blessings; the inherent vice of Socialism is the equal sharing of its miseries." -Winston Churchill
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02-07-09, 02:32 PM #8
I feel it's a personal decision. If he felt he needed to quit, then he needed to quit.
"If everyone is thinking alike, then someone isn't thinking." -Gen. George S. Patton
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02-07-09, 02:36 PM #9
While being a member of an "organization" (I use that word loosely) isn't a crime there are several such "organizations" that don't belong in police work. Any of the known gangs, terrorist organizations, KKK, Black liberation, etc, etc. I don't care if the member committed any crimes while a member or not, its enough to know that they were involved with the group in question.
"An Unarmed man can only flee from evil, and evil is not overcome by fleeing from it." Jeff Cooper
Some people are meant to be the police......Some people are meant to call the police!!!
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02-07-09, 03:59 PM #10
I don't feel he should have been allowed to resign. He should have been canned so that he forever has to put that on future job applications (not that any agency would touch him with a ten foot pole after this).
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02-07-09, 05:33 PM #11
(flame suit on)
I say it depends on his actions. Had he A) ever participated in a crime acting as a member or B) ever let his personal predjudices show in any way shape or form during his police work, then fire his ass.
However, there truly are naive people out there that think the KKK isn't involved in terrorism, or at least think that today's klan doesn't do the same things as it once did. If he never participated in any crime, and did his job treating all equally regardless of their race, regardless of his predjudice against them, then I wouldn't say he deserves to lose his career. However I'd probably quit too if I were him because he will never be able to arrest a black person again without a racial inquiry being done.
I disagree with his opinion and predjudices, but if he wants to have them, and he wants to assemble with people of like minded thinking, that's his right.The world would be much cleaner if blind people carried brooms instead of sticks.
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They've got us surrounded? Good. Now we can fire in any direction. Those bastards won't get away this time.
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02-07-09, 06:16 PM #12
I don't think anyone should be forced to resign because of being a member of a political group. Hell, if the President can associate himself with a known Domestic Terrorist...
"If everyone is thinking alike, then someone isn't thinking." -Gen. George S. Patton
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02-07-09, 06:41 PM #13
I didn't vote for the President in part because of that. The KKK is a little past being a political group , Rhino. There is a stigma that goes with the Klan because of it's past history which included members of law enforcement who were also Klansmen using their authority as peace officers (i.e. phony traffic stops) to facilitate kidnappings and murders.
SI VIS PACEM PARA BELLUM-Ex-Sheriff Martin Howe to Will Kane in "High Noon"
"It's a great life. You risk your skin catching killers and the juries turn them loose so they can come back and shoot at you again. If your honest , your poor your whole life. And , In the end , you wind up dying all alone on some dirty street. For what? For nothing. For a tin star."
Far from being a handicap to command, compassion is the measure of it. For unless one values the lives of his soldiers and is tormented by their ordeals , he is unfit to command.
-General Omar Bradley, United States Army
Renniger-Richards-Griswold-Owens
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02-07-09, 06:56 PM #14
Again just being a member of such a group is enough to fire him or not hire him in the first place. Its no different if a member of the Crips, Bloods, Latin Kings, or even Al Qaida comes to your dept for a job. Would you hire any of there members if they could prove that they didnt commit a crime while a member?? I wouldn't, it goes to their character, morals, and beliefs.
"An Unarmed man can only flee from evil, and evil is not overcome by fleeing from it." Jeff Cooper
Some people are meant to be the police......Some people are meant to call the police!!!
"Socialism only works in two places: Heaven where they don't need it and hell where they already have it."
-Ronald Reagan
" I believe that forgiving them (Terrorist) is God's function. OUR job is to arrange the meeting."
General Norman Schwartzkopf
Not all Muslims are Terrorists, but all Terrorists are Muslim.
(author unknown)
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02-07-09, 07:19 PM #15
He should have been fired. The department has every right to take a vested interest in off duty associations that can discredit the agency or bring shame on its officers. There's no way an agency can win the court of public opinion on racial profiling if they allow officers who belong to the KKK. I don't care if you are participating in legal behavior, the department has a right to protect its image.
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02-07-09, 08:04 PM #16
"As a Law Enforcement Officer, my fundamental duty is to serve mankind; to safeguard lives and property; to protect the innocent against deception, the weak against oppression or intimidation, and the peaceful against violence or disorder; and to respect the Constitutional rights of all men to liberty, equality and justice.
I will keep my private life unsullied as an example to all; maintain courageous calm in the face of danger, scorn, or ridicule; develop self-restraint; and be constantly mindful of the welfare of others. Honest in thought and deed in both my personal and official life, I will be exemplary in obeying the laws of the land and the regulations of my department. Whatever I see or hear of a confidential nature or that is confided to me in my official capacity will be kept ever secret unless revelation is necessary in the performance of my duty.
I will never act officiously or permit personal feelings, prejudices, animosities or friendships to influence my decisions. With no compromise for crime and with relentless prosecution of criminals, I will enforce the law courteously and appropriately without fear or favor, malice or ill will, never employing unnecessary force or violence and never accepting gratuities.
I recognize the badge of my office as a symbol of public faith, and I accept it as a public trust to be held as long as I am true to the ethics of the police service. I will constantly strive to achieve these objectives and ideals, dedicating myself before God to my chosen profession ... law enforcement."The true measure of your character is what you choose to do when you think no one is looking.
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02-07-09, 09:56 PM #17

You're correct, it isn't criminal.When I said group association is not illegal I was referring to groups like gangs, outlaw motorcycle clubs, and racist groups. It isn't illegal to be a crip, but crips tend to do illegal things.
It is called CONDUCT, and you can be fired for conduct in this business. Sometimes agencies try to go too far with that, but this doesn't sound like such a case to me.
This isn't a political group, it is an established criminal organization.I'm your huckleberry...
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02-07-09, 11:50 PM #18
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02-07-09, 11:59 PM #19
Yeah...he definitely should not have resigned..he should have had his ass canned and tossed out into the street on his ear. Fucking people like this make me sick to my stomach.
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02-08-09, 12:14 AM #20
Hell, Senator Robert Byrd, the senior Democratic member of the Senate is a former member of the KKK.
That being said, he should have never been hired to begin with. They must have done little or no background investigation. Probably gave him a polygraph and called it good. Which is why I've vehemently opposed to using polygraphs for hiring purposes. They accuracy is too iffy and I've often suspected some depts rely too much on it and don't do adequate investigations. But that's another soapbox......When I used to be somebody (I'm center top)
"A burning desire for social justice is never a substitute for knowing what you're talking about". -Thomas Sowell-
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