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    Fired overweight cop gets job back.

    Bellevue police officer's firing overturned

    A former Bellevue police officer fired for being overweight could be back patrolling the streets in a few months.
    The Nebraska Court of Appeals, in an opinion released Tuesday, reversed the Bellevue Civil Service Commission’s decision upholding the termination of Christopher D. Parent.

    Parent, 52, had been a member of the Police Department for more than 25 years, mostly as a detective, but had been reassigned to road patrol. His firing stemmed from his performance during an Aug. 28 combat shooting exercise, which prompted fellow officers to report him to the command staff.

    Parent was fired in 2007, after an internal investigation determined that he had not maintained a “high level of physical, mental and emotional conditioning.”

    Bellevue Police Lt. Mark Elbert has said Parent, whose 2005-issued Nebraska driver’s license listed him at 5-foot-9 and 300 pounds, was fired under a policy that requires officers to be physically fit.

    The court’s opinion states that under the Bellevue Police Department policy used to justify Parent’s firing, Parent satisfied the only objective standard imposed.

    The court said he maintained “at least a ‘fair’ level of physical wellness pursuant to the standards contained within the . . . Department’s Wellness Program Manual.”

    Michael Polk, an attorney representing the city, said that paragraph in the policy since has been removed.

    “It was a policy that was part of an outdated wellness program, and it was removed because of that,” he said. Polk said it was standard for officers to self-report by filling out a sheet detailing how they stayed healthy and fit.

    “It wasn’t something that was officially audited,” he said.

    The current policy says, “Police Officers are called upon to perform a variety of tasks that require physical endurance and agility. This dictates that officers maintain a high level of physical, mental and emotional conditioning, which can only be acquired through regular exercise, proper diet and utilizing time.”

    The City of Bellevue could let the case go — and Parent would be reinstated in a few months — or send the case to the Nebraska Supreme Court for further review, putting Parent’s job back on the line.

    Polk said he was disappointed by the decision and unsure what avenue the city would take.

    “Parent’s termination was reversed on a policy technicality,” he said. “This reversal is much like when criminal convictions are overturned on legal technicalities. It is ironic that an individual sworn to uphold the law uses a policy technicality to continue to ignore his personal physical condition, like a criminal using a loophole in the law to escape punishment.”

    Steve Delaney, Parent’s attorney, said Parent is excited about the decision and eager to get back to work.

    “He’s been a police officer his entire adult life,” he said. “He has been and always wants to be a Bellevue police officer and is looking forward to going back.”

    Delaney would not comment on Parent’s current weight or detail what he has been doing since his termination.

    Bellevue Police Chief John Stacey was unavailable for comment.


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    Caveman,

    Didn't Washington county can a deputy some years ago because he was too fat to chase a guy that escaped from his custody outside the jail?

    I've gotten into a lot of arguments over this, but I simply can't see obesity as a disability. Everyone that's told me they had a "gland problem" did so as they wolfed down three Big Mac's.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Retdetsgt View Post

    I've gotten into a lot of arguments over this, but I simply can't see obesity as a disability. Everyone that's told me they had a "gland problem" did so as they wolfed down three Big Mac's.

    Should they be allowed to lose there jobs for it?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Terminator View Post
    Should they be allowed to lose there jobs for it?

    I think a better question is should the public or his fellow officers be put at risk because of him,

    His firing stemmed from his performance during an Aug. 28 combat shooting exercise, which prompted fellow officers to report him to the command staff.



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    If it's a matter of physical ability or fitness as part of the job description or condition of employment, YES!

    Let's extrapolate this: employers can and have terminated employees for drug and/or alcohol use or abuse due to the specific signed agreements not to engage in those behaviors or actions while on the job.

    Easy way for the PD and city to solve this problem: follow the military model. Yearly physical fitness tests, weight standards for height and gender and build, specified exemptions for those with legitimate problems (such as folks who balloon when taking certain cancer meds or other medications).

    I think this slug is a shame to our profession. Yeah, we have big folks in our business and I am hardly Adonis. But my employer expects me to be able to do the job, which includes physical exertion. I sincerely doubt this fellow can hot foot after someone, or perform extended ground fighting and so on.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Terminator View Post
    Should they be allowed to lose there jobs for it?
    Would you like a lardass like that coming to back you up in a beef? I used to work next to a great guy, but when we met for coffee, he not only had coffee, but pancakes with extra butter. That wasn't his meal, that was a snack. I liked the guy a lot, but we got into a couple of go 'rounds in bars with drunks and it took him about 10 seconds to be completely out of breath. Essentially, I was on my own after that, but on paper it looked like there were two of us there.

    I don't know that everyone has to be in superb physical condition, but there is a reasonable expectation.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Retdetsgt View Post
    Would you like a lardass like that coming to back you up in a beef? I used to work next to a great guy, but when we met for coffee, he not only had coffee, but pancakes with extra butter. That wasn't his meal, that was a snack. I liked the guy a lot, but we got into a couple of go 'rounds in bars with drunks and it took him about 10 seconds to be completely out of breath. Essentially, I was on my own after that, but on paper it looked like there were two of us there.

    I don't know that everyone has to be in superb physical condition, but there is a reasonable expectation.

    I'm impartial here. Just asking the question...which you still haven't answered directly. Yes or no?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Terminator View Post
    I'm impartial here. Just asking the question...which you still haven't answered directly. Yes or no?
    I think he should be put in a desk position and given a reasonable time to lose the weight. If he refuses or is unable, can him.

    I would then put in a policy that annually does a reasonable physical test. It doesn't have to be something as stringent as the military, but something that morbidly obese people couldn't pass. You can't really go by height/weight, we had some body builders that were off the chart on that, but in excellent shape. Those that couldn't pass would be given a reasonable time to lose the weight. I think if done right, it could pass a court test if you demonstrate the need to have them physically able to do the job. As long as we can give physical agility test before hiring, we should be able to enforce ongoing tests.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Retdetsgt View Post
    You can't really go by height/weight, we had some body builders that were off the chart on that, but in excellent shape.
    Supposedly, years ago Herschel Walker (the football player) wanted to join the FBI, but he wouldn't have been able to pass the height/weight deal (if I recall, he was something like 5'10", 230 lbs), so he was told not to even bother. Since then, the FBI has instituted a body comp test IF the prospective agent is outside the height/weight ratio (if you exceed the level, then you're body fat has to be below the prescribed level). Turns out, Herschel was a crazy-ass anyway, but you get the point...
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    I've seen the video of the training this guy was fired over. He literally could not stand up after shooting from a kneeling position. It took him like 3 or 4 tries and a breather before he could stand up from a kneeling position. I actually felt sorry for him, but at the same time he's useless in anything physical if he can't even get to his feet if he gets knocked down.
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    to me, the bottom line is that this is sometimes a very physical profession...not every cop needs to be able to crank out 100 pushups and run a mile in 6 minutes, but they outta be able to perform the necessary functions of this job. I'm in better shape now than I was when I started, and I workout daily so that I can say that for a long time. I do it for a lot of reasons, not the least of which is so that I don't let my partners down when it's "go time." If this guy doesn't have enough self-respect to get into better shape, then he should have enough respect for his fellow cops to do it for them. I wish our department had yearly PFTs, but that'll never happen (our swat team won't even do that because some of the olds complain that if the assignment requires a certain level of fitness, they'd want duty time to work out).
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    We have a madatory yearly physical test (PAT) that we must pass or we get yanked from our job. For the next three months you are put down with our training dept to get in shape..and become the bitch boy/girl during that time doing anything that needs done (moving offices, weeding, painting whatever...). You can retest anytime during the 3 months and if you pass..great..you go back to work..and if you dont at the end of three months..they can let you go. Havent had that happen yet..the firing thing but we have had people pulled off their job.

    In all seriousness, it is not that hard...involves a little bit of running, some obstacles and some getting in and out of a car.

    In regards to this story...this is not a desk job..this requires you to be able to get out of your own way and help another officer...and frankly from what I heard about him not being able to get up after shooting in the kneeling position...no thanks. I need you to be my back-up...not a hinderance.
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    Not just the physical side, but what type of picture does he project to the community? If you were a "bad guy" and saw him struggling to extracate himself from a patrol car, would you be seriously nervous or would you just laugh and drive on knowing the amount of time it would take him to pour himself back into his vehicle? Having been large at one time I know how difficult it can be to lose the weight, but self-respect alone should be an incentive.

    Having said all that, I feel that he should be given the opportunity to lose the weight, if he doesn't improve after a certain amount of time, then he should be let go. Health risks and officer safety alone should prompt him to at least try to lose the weight. Oh ya, he needs a haircut too, lol.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ChesCopPodz View Post
    I've seen the video of the training this guy was fired over. He literally could not stand up after shooting from a kneeling position. It took him like 3 or 4 tries and a breather before he could stand up from a kneeling position. I actually felt sorry for him, but at the same time he's useless in anything physical if he can't even get to his feet if he gets knocked down.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mack View Post
    Not just the physical side, but what type of picture does he project to the community?... Oh ya, he needs a haircut too, lol.
    Yeah, he also needs to be forced to have a taylor do an overhaul on his suit.

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    I dont agree with the height/weight requirement. Those charts are waaaaaay off from reality. Im 6'2" tall and weigh 220lbs, Im in no way an athlete but Im in good shape. My resting heart rate is 45-55 and BP is always around 120/80. But according to the hight/weight chart my top weight should be 180-190 depending on what chart you look at. If I lost 30lbs to be in accordence with that chart I would look sickly. When I was in the hospitol and going through the cancer surgery I went down to about 210lbs and was told by several co-workers that I looked bad and needed to get my weight back up.

    On a side note I dont have a problem with yearly PT tests as long as they are reasonable to the job.
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    Quote Originally Posted by swaggon View Post
    Care to post the video?

    I've tried everywhere. I saw the video when the story came out back in early 08 or late 07. I saw it on one of the news station sites that was reporting the story. I can't find the videos from that long ago on them now.
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    You know other then his weight factor, something that would concern me working the street with him is that horrible head of hair.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Caveman View Post
    You know other then his weight factor, something that would concern me working the street with him is that horrible head of hair.
    I still think that has to be tied in with shortening the sleeves on his suit.

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