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03-20-09, 12:43 PM #1
San Diego Responders Could Leave Over Pension Changes
SAN DIEGO --
A mass exodus of police officers and firefighters could happen as a result of recent pension and retirement changes, 10News reported.
San Diego's employee retirement board is voted to lower the pension rate guarantee from 7.75 percent to 3.54 percent effective July 1.
"They don't need to put in their paperwork until June, but we know of about 20 right now who are going to leave and it could go to 30 to 35," said San Diego Police Chief William Lansdowne.
Lansdowne said the list he is aware of includes sergeants, lieutenants and even an assistant chief.
But the Police Officers Association said it believes the actual number will be even higher.
"We did our own internal survey and we predict or project anywhere between 40 to 70 additional sworn officers will leave before July 1," said San Diego Police Officers Association president Brian Marvel.
That would leave department staffing levels at its lowest since the 1990s, according to Marvel.
It is not just police officers, as a number of experienced firefighters are also looking to leave.
"Yeah, we are going to be losing folks who have been around for a long time and that's a challenge for any organization that does that, but I think it'll be transparent to the public," said assistant fire chief Javier Mainer.
That is Lansdowne's position as well. Though he said reaching the goal of full staffing by 2010 won't happen, federal stimulus money could help boost the size of the academy.
"If there's a time to be hunting police departments this is the time to be there because there's lots of opportunity coming," said Lansdowne.
As for a mass city exodus, taxpayer advocate-turned-city councilmember Carl DeMaio had a different take.
"It's pretty outrageous that the labor unions always suggest we ought not to do something we know is right for taxpayers in the long term because of some short term 'boogeyman' they try putting out there," said DeMaio.
The Police Officers Association said when it was at an impasse with the city for two years, some 200 officers left and the number for this situation could be similar or even higher.
The exact number will not be known, but representatives from both the police and fire departments said the void can be filled.
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I'm hearing that some sniffs from SD folks have been made up in these parts. This would be the second major exodus for SDPD in a decade, especially after the pension system before went all wonkers.
03-20-09, 08:21 PM #3
Take away that much of my pension and I too would be looking at leaving."An Unarmed man can only flee from evil, and evil is not overcome by fleeing from it." Jeff Cooper
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03-20-09, 08:30 PM #4
Fortunatly I'm already retired but it would scare me to greener pastures
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03-21-09, 07:18 AM #5"It's pretty outrageous that the labor unions always suggest we ought not to do something we know is right for taxpayers in the long term because of some short term 'boogeyman' they try putting out there,"
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03-21-09, 02:57 PM #6
For those of you who don't know, the city of San Diego has been struggling with major financial issues for the past few years. They only recently got their cert back to borrow money. With the mortgage crisis, they got hit even harder, as the whole state is in a sort of free-fall.
They've cut all sorts of services.
Chula Vista has also been hard hit, as they had a big building boom, many of those homes now in foreclosure.
Things have been pretty grim in our corner of the country.Molly Weasley makes Chuck Norris eat his vegetables.
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03-21-09, 10:30 PM #7
That's violating a moral contract to cut pensions of people already working. Cutting future benefits for new hires so they know the score when they come in is different, but that's a lousy thing to do to someone with a number of years service, but not able to pull the plug yet.When I used to be somebody (I'm center top)
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