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    Safe Grad party to allow high school graduates to drink up to 10 alcoholic drinks with parents permission

    Next weekend, some parents of Lanigan Central High School graduates will host a “safe grad” party at an undisclosed location. Graduates planning to attend the Saturday night drinking party had to submit a form signed by their parents in advance of the party. The graduates had to pre-order and pre-pay for the alcohol they’ll drink during the 9 p.m. to 2 a.m. party. Graduates and their guests, who have to be in Grade 10 or higher, will be allowed up to 10 drinks, including beer, vodka, rum and rye.


    “That boggles the mind,” said Diane Fontaine, president of the Saskatoon and area Mothers Against Drunk Driving. “It’s pretty scary.”


    Having that many alcoholic drinks at one time is considered binge drinking, says Dell, who added the definition of binge drinking is five or more drinks.


    “The idea of safe grad is around drinking and driving and keeping people alive,” she said.


    “Is that really the goal we want for our kids—is to simply keep them alive?”


    I think that last quote is pretty telling, and illustrates perfectly how groups like Mothers Against Drunk Driving aren’t so much promoting public safety as a new prohibition movement. They’re not just about keeping people safe. They’re about forcing people to live by their standards.



    Is it ok to let kids drink 10 drinks in one night? My guess is that most of the kids who do drink 10 drinks are going to be pretty sick, but I certainly think it’s better for them to drink those drinks in a controlled environment where they won’t bother or hurt themselves or anyone else. And, frankly, I think it’s better overall to let kids get some experience with alcohol at a younger age while still under the control of their parents rather than keeping it taboo, which encourages them to sneak off to uncontrolled and unsafe locations to drink in secret. Or it postpones their experience with alcohol until they’re in college or otherwise away from their parents for the first time.

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    "contributing to the deliquency of a minor"
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    Quote Originally Posted by Terminator View Post
    “That boggles the mind,” said Diane Fontaine, president of the Saskatoon and area Mothers Against Drunk Driving. “It’s pretty scary.”
    I wish these people that contribute to FARK or other blogs would put their locations in better, as to state or province, and country. That being said, How much you want to bet that this is Saskatoon, Saskatchewan, CANADA. This is what my mapquest spidey senses are telling me. That being said, what is the minimum drinking age in Canada?

    I tried searching North Dakota for Saskatoon and Nada.

    Otherwise I agree, as pgg said, these people are setting themselves up for contributing to the delinquency of a minor. Unless Canada's drinking age is lower?

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    Quote Originally Posted by pgg View Post
    "contributing to the deliquency of a minor"
    Exactly what I was thinking... Who is going to guarantee that these kids won't get drunk and then sneak off to go joy riding? Are they going to lock them up and physically restrain them if they try to leave on their own?

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    Yeah, regardless of the drinking laws, this doesn't seem to be well thought out.


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    Car 4 and I once went on a talk show, the premise of which was families doing just this for their kids.

    They had ten or twelve cops on from different places - it was a setup. The audience was full of kids and families who had been busted by the party patrol.

    Idiots.
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    Seems to me there are two positions here and they're both wrong headed.

    MADD is taking an absolute no-alcohol position.

    The adults arranging this party have gone beyond safety and have taken a pro-alcohol position.

    I don't agree with either. And you may well not agree with mine, that's the fun of us not being robots.

    Is that really the goal we want for our kids—is to simply keep them alive?

    Yes, in this limited instance, that is the goal (of this party model anyway, not necessarily this particular party). It's the same goal as drunk driving laws.

    Drunk driving laws acknowledge the reality of life. People drive drunk. They're not about stopping drinking, they're about getting drunks off the road. Here's another reality of life - kids drink after graduation. Now we can all say it's bad, show stats, share experiences...and they'll still do it. Raise your hand if nobody at your school drank after graduation.

    I'm not seeing many hands. Unless parents today are much improved over your own, the MADD position seems Pollyanna to me.

    We had one of these parties planned. Even had T-shirts printed up for them (bad idea in retrospect). Plan was simple, you drive in, park in the pasture, hand over your keys to the parent owning the land and the gate locks at 10pm. Nobody leaves until 7am the following day. No questions. Then some parent complained, fast forward, graduation night there were several parties with people driving back and forth. I spent my graduation night playing taxi, others weren't so interested in designated drivers. That wasn't a good reality, though we go lucky. (well, I didn't, but that's another subject) The 4 who took a bus to a pizza party with 10 chaperons didn't report having much fun either.

    Was that promoting teen drinking or acknowledging a reality and attempting harm reduction? That's a more interesting debate than this case where the hosts have crossed the line into promotion of drinking.

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    Car 4 and I once went on a talk show, the premise of which was families doing just this for their kids.

    They had ten or twelve cops on from different places - it was a setup. The audience was full of kids and families who had been busted by the party patrol.
    Man, I want to hear that story the next time I come in.

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    The civil liability that these people are exposing themselves to is what will get them, not the criminal side. Misdomeanor charges of contributing to the deliquency and/or holding an open house party is nothing compared to the exposure they will suffer from if ANYTHING goes wrong. This includes fights, pregnancies, wrecks, alcohol poisoning ect. Sorry, thinking with my lawyer hat on again.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Five-0 View Post
    The civil liability that these people are exposing themselves to is what will get them, not the criminal side. Misdomeanor charges of contributing to the deliquency and/or holding an open house party is nothing compared to the exposure they will suffer from if ANYTHING goes wrong. This includes fights, pregnancies, wrecks, alcohol poisoning ect. Sorry, thinking with my lawyer hat on again.
    i agree 100%

    plus, 10 drinks, for an undersized 10th grader who may not be used to ingesting so much alcohol but who feels immense peer pressure to knock down all 10 as fast as possible could very well kill that kid.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Morris View Post
    Man, I want to hear that story the next time I come in.
    It was Ken from Town Meeting.

    I bet we have the tape somewhere.
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    Oh lord. Speaking of which, I need to stop and cite his ass multiple times.

    Just because he's Ken.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Morris View Post
    Oh lord. Speaking of which, I need to stop and cite his ass multiple times.

    Just because he's Ken.

    Sounds like this guy is a real class act.


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    After some brief searches, this is taking place in Saskatchewan, where the legal drinking age is 19. A few grads would be that age already, with the majority being 17 or 18.
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    Quote Originally Posted by CTR man View Post
    I wish these people that contribute to FARK or other blogs would put their locations in better, as to state or province, and country. That being said, How much you want to bet that this is Saskatoon, Saskatchewan, CANADA. This is what my mapquest spidey senses are telling me.

    That being said, what is the minimum drinking age in Canada?

    I tried searching North Dakota for Saskatoon and Nada.

    Otherwise I agree, as pgg said, these people are setting themselves up for contributing to the delinquency of a minor. Unless Canada's drinking age is lower?

    I don't know why the links are showing up with question marks but they work for me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ducky View Post
    After some brief searches, this is taking place in Saskatchewan, where the legal drinking age is 19. A few grads would be that age already, with the majority being 17 or 18.
    Did I call it or what? Thanks for coming up with Canada's drinking age. Still contributing to the delinquency of a minor for those under the age of 19.


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