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    Police ticket bicyclists who run stop signs...during a multiple sclerosis charity ride

    More than 700 cyclists were on the roads of Loudoun County over the weekend, some pedaling up to 150 miles, trying to raise money for a debilitating disease, multiple sclerosis.
    But as they made their way Sunday in the untimed event, several rolled into an obstacle few foresaw: the long arm of the law.
    According to cyclists and Loudoun authorities, several cyclists failed to come to complete stops at some intersections, and a county sheriff's deputy was waiting to pounce. Eight cyclists were ticketed for running stop signs that day in the Lovettsville and Purcellville areas, authorities said.
    To several who took part in the annual event which is estimated to have raised more than $700,000 for research and assistance for those with the incurable illness the tickets were poor form, even if cyclists had rolled through the signs. To authorities, who said they received numerous complaints from motorists about cyclists crowding the roads and running stop signs, the citations were necessary to ensure safety on the roads.
    "After I picked my jaw up off the ground, my feeling was, 'You've got nothing better to do at 10 o'clock on a Sunday morning than sit there and wait for people to run a stop sign?' " said David Jennings, 47, of Vienna, a cyclist who did not ride for charity but was ticketed in Lovettsville while out with his biking club.
    Jennings said he and another cyclist, a charity participant, slowed to about 1 mph before proceeding through a stop sign in Lovettsville, only to find a sheriff's deputy nearby, who flagged them down.
    "What was amazing to me was it seemed to me they were there because of the MS ride," Jennings said. "They've donated their time and all their money, and they've donated to a charity, and you've got the Loudoun County Sheriff's Office just sitting there waiting to hand them a ticket. It didn't seem right."
    Loudoun Sheriff Stephen O. Simpson said raising revenue had nothing to do with the citations. He mentioned two cyclists who were killed within days of each other in summer 2005 and said rolling through a stop sign on a bike can have the same consequences as doing so in a car.
    "They forget the fact that they're sharing that road with motor vehicles, and by not respecting the rule of the road, they're putting themselves in huge danger," Simpson said. "They get into a collision with a motor vehicle, they're going to come out the loser in that deal."
    "Bike MS: Beyond the Beltway" was organized by the National Multiple Sclerosis Society's National Capital Chapter and took place mostly in Loudoun on Saturday and Sunday, said chapter President Chris Broullire. The two-day course totaled 150 miles, but not everyone rode the entire length, he said.
    Broullire said safety precautions were taken, including motorcycle escorts and reminding riders to obey traffic rules. He declined to comment on the citations, saying he was looking into them.
    Cyclist Bill Dwyer, who received a ticket near a square in Lovettsville, said he thinks the citations were emblematic of a larger tension between motorists and cyclists.
    "The fact that there were people in that square running stop signs isn't the problem," said Dwyer, 53, of Alexandria. "The finger was unfairly pointed at the MS bike riders and myself in particular. . . . But I got a ticket. It's not a big deal. I'll pay it."
    Another ticketed charity rider, Charles Rothrock of Oakton, said he agrees that safety is paramount but that authorities could have taken better steps to "proactively warn cyclists" to obey road signs.
    The tickets carry a prepayable $30 fine and a $61 fee. If someone chooses to fight the charge, a judge can raise the fine to as much as $250.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Terminator View Post
    "After I picked my jaw up off the ground, my feeling was, 'You've got nothing better to do at 10 o'clock on a Sunday morning than sit there and wait for people to run a stop sign?' " .
    probably not. usually sunday mornings for us are pretty slow too. all the criminals are still asleep or too hung over from the night before. they dont get up and start causing trouble til about 1300, and by then im getting ready to go home.

    but in all seriousness, this is why many people dislike us. i am all for strict enforcement of ANY law when it comes to gangsters, shitheads, and criminals (many times they are one in the same), but i am not all about harassing decent citizens over petty bullshit. especially during a charity event such as an MS bike-a-thon. sometimes you gotta show a little leniancy.
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    Another ticketed charity rider, Charles Rothrock of Oakton, said he agrees that safety is paramount but that authorities could have taken better steps to "proactively warn cyclists" to obey road signs.
    Next year use this guy as a speed bump. All those years of being exposed to stop lights and the officers within view weren't enough warning?

    If you want to complain, take it up with the militant cyclists who annoy drivers every other day of the year. They're the reason people don't have any patience with your event.

    As for the actual tickets, meh, I can see both sides. I've made plenty of rolling stops in my day, as did hundreds of cyclists that morning without endangering anyone. At the same time I think about the "feel good buzz" people get at events like this. They're having fun, talking to new or old friends as they ride, and may not be paying due attention. A little grounding to remind them not everyone is on the same plan that sunny morning isn't so bad.

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    All it would have taken would have been a phone call to the various towns alerting them to the event. There are a few events here like this every year, and officers escort the riders (or runners) as well as set up pre-planned road closures or detours.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ducky View Post
    All it would have taken would have been a phone call to the various towns alerting them to the event. There are a few events here like this every year, and officers escort the riders (or runners) as well as set up pre-planned road closures or detours.
    exactly
    in the warriors code there's no surrender, though his body says stop, his spirit cries...NEVER. deep in our souls, a quiet ember, knows its you against you, its the paradox that drives us all. its a battle of wills, in the heat of attack, its the passion that kills, and victory is yours alone.


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    Another ticketed charity rider, Charles Rothrock of Oakton, said he agrees that safety is paramount but that authorities could have taken better steps to "proactively warn cyclists" to obey road signs.
    The big red sign that says STOP should be plenty enough warning for cyclists. Honestly, would I sit there and watch the sign because I knew a ton of bicycles were coming through? No. However if there were complaints about them clogging up traffic, which is a very common event when a bunch of bicyclists get together, then I'd do the same thing the deputy did. It has become a safety issue and my job is to serve the local interests. If the local interest at the time is the traffic problems created by the cyclists, then that's what my focus would turn to for the time as long as nothing more important was going on.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Odd View Post
    Next year use this guy as a speed bump. All those years of being exposed to stop lights and the officers within view weren't enough warning?

    If you want to complain, take it up with the militant cyclists who annoy drivers every other day of the year. They're the reason people don't have any patience with your event.


    As for the actual tickets, meh, I can see both sides. I've made plenty of rolling stops in my day, as did hundreds of cyclists that morning without endangering anyone. At the same time I think about the "feel good buzz" people get at events like this. They're having fun, talking to new or old friends as they ride, and may not be paying due attention. A little grounding to remind them not everyone is on the same plan that sunny morning isn't so bad.
    Would that be Critical Mass?


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    We have citizen volunteers stationed at dangerous intersections during bike races - Not to stop the cars, but to stop the bikes.

    When some people ride for hours, it's almost like they go into a trance and don't stop for anything. One year when I volunteered for that, I had to physically block their path before a few of them would stop to look both directions before crossing a busy highway. The idiots were just going to follow the bike ahead of them, and dart out there without even turning their head.

    Some of them even got mad at me because I didn't stop traffic for them. I told one of them that I'm not stupid enough to stop a line of cars going 70 MPH on the curvy highway, but if he wants to try it be my guest. He got all pissy and moved on.

    It wouldn't have been legal for me to stop cars anyway, since I was just a citizen volunteer.

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    I hate f**king bicycle nazis. We got em around here like you wouldn't believe. I've got stories that make me mad just to consider typing them up here. I am for ZERO tolerance for bicycles on the road.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Car 4 View Post
    I hate f**king bicycle nazis. We got em around here like you wouldn't believe. I've got stories that make me mad just to consider typing them up here. I am for ZERO tolerance for bicycles on the road.


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    I have to agree with Car 4. They need to obey the rules of the road also. As a personal favor to them though I will push in the clutch as I pass them and rev the motor a few times and send a nice black cloud of diesel smoke at them. But I'm just nice that way
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    This event ran down the W&OD Trail is a heavily traveled, multi-use path running through many jurisdictions. If the MS Ride didn't have permission -- they were already deeply in the wrong. I'm pretty confident they had done the notifications, but the path crosses so many roads and this event pulls enough people, traveling at different paces that it would be difficult to cover the crossings. (In fact, I think they tried to get my agencies assistance, and were turned down for just those reasons -- and that the riders/participants were supposed to be obeying the signs!)

    Additionally, there have been several deaths over the last few years -- and more problems that didn't lead to deaths -- where bicyclists, especially, disregarded the stop signs at road crossings. Two last year were in the immediate vicinity of the tickets; they've also done other things (like zig-zag lines down the road...) to slow cars down.

    Bottom line... I'm not particularly sympathetic to these bicyclists. And that's as a member of IPMBA and IMBA both. "Bicyclists fare best when they are treated and act as vehicles." I'm really strongly of the mind that enforcement of traffic laws against bicyclists needs to be stepped up; there are too damn many of them who are reckless in how they ride.
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    Quote Originally Posted by pgg View Post
    I have to agree with Car 4. They need to obey the rules of the road also. As a personal favor to them though I will push in the clutch as I pass them and rev the motor a few times and send a nice black cloud of diesel smoke at them. But I'm just nice that way
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    In my old district the problem was with the BOB's (Bums On Bikes) riding around drunk and going into traffic. After four or five of them became DRT, the guys on my shift started to hook them up for DUI (we can do that in Florida, some of the sanctions are differant though).
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    'You've got nothing better to do at 10 o'clock on a Sunday morning than sit there and wait for people to run a stop sign?' "
    Nope. Press hard, 5 copies.

    Fuck 'em. I don't care what charity it is. When one of them gets turned into road pizza we'll have another charity ride with idiots not paying attention.

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    in the warriors code there's no surrender, though his body says stop, his spirit cries...NEVER. deep in our souls, a quiet ember, knows its you against you, its the paradox that drives us all. its a battle of wills, in the heat of attack, its the passion that kills, and victory is yours alone.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Xiphos View Post
    Nope. Press hard, 5 copies.

    Fuck 'em. I don't care what charity it is. When one of them gets turned into road pizza we'll have another charity ride with idiots not paying attention.

    Treat them like vehicles.
    As they are. What some bicyclists fail to realize is that even pedestrians can be killed by not following the rules of the road. Even though a pedestrian may have the right of way in a crosswalk, it is still prudent to look both ways and wait until it is safe to do so. If it involves a traffic control device, then wait for the proper signal to proceed, just as any motorized vehicle should. Pedestrians don't have the right to impede traffic, either. So why should some bicyclists expect to get away with it?


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    Quote Originally Posted by CTR man View Post
    As they are. What some bicyclists fail to realize is that even pedestrians can be killed by not following the rules of the road. Even though a pedestrian may have the right of way in a crosswalk, it is still prudent to look both ways and wait until it is safe to do so. If it involves a traffic control device, then wait for the proper signal to proceed, just as any motorized vehicle should. Pedestrians don't have the right to impede traffic, either. So why should some bicyclists expect to get away with it?
    Actually, in Virginia, a pedestrian DOES NOT always and automatically have the right of way! If they're crossing against a signal, for example, or at a location other than a crosswalk...

    It takes some doing to make it stick -- but they don't have the right of way. That's why we have a fair number of pedestrians hit by cars every year and no charges made against the driver...
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    Well, as I type this, my city is being sued by a member of the lycra clad mafia. Seems that even though he failed to stop for a stop sign and was speeding on a trail and riding in a shaded area and using one of those gay assed toe clip systems and never hit my patrol car but merely fell over because he couldn't unass himself from the gay assed toe clip system, he feels he should get between $40K and $60K from my city and department.

    I'll write them if NOT ON A CHAIRITY RIDE. A legitimate chairity ride is different and can be expected to include dumbasses. Critical Mass events are just another reason for me to check and see if the brake fade issues on Crown Vics are still and issue . . .

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    Bicyclists most definitely should follow the rules of the road. I can't stand those who ignore stop signs and red lights, don't signal when crossing two lanes of traffic, etc.




 

 
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