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    Healthcare Reform Plan - Compulsory Insurance

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    Under Senate health care plan, either way you pay

    WASHINGTON – First you paid to insure your car. Soon you may have to add health insurance premiums to that stack of monthly bills as well.
    In a revamped health care system envisioned by senators, people would be required to carry health insurance just like motorists must get auto coverage now. The government would provide subsidies for the poor and many middle-class families, but those who still refuse to sign up would face fines of more than $1,000.
    The details were unveiled Thursday in a health care overhaul bill supported by key Senate Democrats looking to fulfill President Barack Obama's top domestic priority.
    The Congressional Budget Office estimated the fines would raise around $36 billion over 10 years. Senate aides said the penalties would be modeled on the approach taken by Massachusetts, which now imposes a fine of about $1,000 a year on individuals who refuse to get coverage. Under the federal legislation, families would pay higher penalties than individuals.

    Called "shared responsibility payments," the fines would offset at least half the cost of basic medical coverage, according to the legislation. The goal is to nudge people to sign up for coverage when they are healthy, not wait until they get sick.
    In 2008, employer-provided coverage averaged $12,680 a year for a family plan, and $4,704 for individual coverage, according to the Kaiser Family Foundation's annual survey. Senate aides, who spoke on condition of anonymity because they were not authorized to speak publicly, said the cost of the federal plan would be lower but declined to provide specifics.

    The legislation would exempt certain hardship cases from fines, which would be collected through the income tax system.

    The new proposals were released as Congress neared the end of a weeklong July 4 break, with lawmakers expected to quickly take up health care legislation when they return to Washington. With deepening divisions along partisan and ideological lines, the complex legislation faces an uncertain future.

    Obama wants a bill this year that would provide coverage to the nearly 50 million Americans who lack it and reduce medical costs.

    In a statement, Obama welcomed the legislation, saying it "reflects many of the principles I've laid out, such as reforms that will prohibit insurance companies from refusing coverage for people with pre-existing conditions and the concept of insurance exchanges where individuals can find affordable coverage if they lose their jobs, move or get sick."
    The Senate Health Education, Labor and Pensions bill also calls for a government-run insurance option to compete with private plans as well as a $750-per-worker annual fee on larger companies that do not offer coverage to employees.

    Sens. Edward M. Kennedy, D-Mass., and Christopher Dodd, D-Conn., said in a letter to colleagues that their revised plan would cost dramatically less than an earlier, incomplete proposal, and help show the way toward coverage for 97 percent of all Americans.
    The Congressional Budget Office, in an analysis released Thursday evening, put the net cost of the proposal at $597 billion over 10 years, down from $1 trillion two weeks ago. Coverage expansions worth $645 billion would be partly offset by savings of $48 billion, the estimate said.

    However, the total cost of legislation will rise considerably once provisions are added to subsidize health insurance for the poor through Medicaid. Those additions, needed to ensure coverage for nearly all U.S. residents, are being handled by a separate panel, the Senate Finance Committee. Bipartisan talks on the Finance panel aim to hold the overall price tag to $1 trillion.

    The Health Committee could complete its portion of the bill as soon as next week, and the government health insurance option virtually assures a party-line vote.
    In the Senate, the Finance Committee version of the bill is unlikely to include a government-run insurance option. Bipartisan negotiations are centered on a proposal for a nonprofit insurance cooperative as a competitor to private companies.

    Three committees are collaborating in the House on legislation expected to come to a vote by the end of July. That measure is certain to include a government-run insurance option.

    At their heart, all the bills would require insurance companies to sell coverage to any applicant, without charging higher premiums for pre-existing medical conditions. The poor and some middle-class families would qualify for government subsidies to help with the cost of coverage. The government's costs would be covered by a combination of higher taxes and cuts in projected Medicare and Medicaid spending.

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    In a revamped health care system envisioned by senators, people would be required to carry health insurance just like motorists must get auto coverage now. The government would provide subsidies for the poor and many middle-class families, but those who still refuse to sign up would face fines of more than $1,000.

    The Congressional Budget Office estimated the fines would raise around $36 billion over 10 years. Senate aides said the penalties would be modeled on the approach taken by Massachusetts, which now imposes a fine of about $1,000 a year on individuals who refuse to get coverage. Under the federal legislation, families would pay higher penalties than individuals.

    Called "shared responsibility payments," the fines would offset at least half the cost of basic medical coverage, according to the legislation. The goal is to nudge people to sign up for coverage when they are healthy, not wait until they get sick.

    The legislation would exempt certain hardship cases from fines, which would be collected through the income tax system.

    Wow. This is beyond scary. This is socialism and liberalism at its worst.

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    The legislation would exempt certain hardship cases from fines, which would be collected through the income tax system.

    Read: If you're already on welfare, don't worry, we got your back since you already don't pay income tax.
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    Time for American Rvolution # 3.

    Revolution # 2 was 1861-65 if you didn't already know.

    For those recent high school grads, the first was 1775-1789 approx.
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    Compulsory insurance = tax

    We have the National Health Service in the UK which operates free at the point of delivery. It's funded by National insurance payments which is a tax from wages and other central government funding which of course comes from taxation.
    That system was set up by a then socialist party in government.
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    The only thing that is even remotely OK about this bill is that health insurance companies would have to offer health insurance for people with pre-existing conditions without charging them more. The rest of this crap should be shredded and flushed down the toilet.
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    The glaring question remains, could anyone reading this still believe that the goal of a plan like this is to make healthcare more accessible and affordable?

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    Absolutely not. It's just another way to take away basic freedoms from Americans and have them think it's a good thing.
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    Quote Originally Posted by lewisipso View Post
    Fuck them and the collective horses they rode in on.
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    Read: If you're already on welfare, don't worry, we got your back since you already don't pay income tax.
    And the illegals sucking off of the Hard Working Tax Paying Americans

    Quote Originally Posted by irishmick View Post
    The only thing that is even remotely OK about this bill is that health insurance companies would have to offer health insurance for people with pre-existing conditions without charging them more. The rest of this crap should be shredded and flushed down the toilet.
    I am sure the companies will find loop holes around that, just like the home owners and car insurance companies do right now, dropping you because you are high risk, you live in a flood zone, hurricane zone or fire zone. Nothing like corporate power!

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    Here comes the start of the "Spread the wealth" claim.
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