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    What Huckabee has to say about the WA shootings

    Very poor excuses. You are done, Mr Huckabee. more at link

    Huckabee blames prosecutors, says 'heart is broken'

    Host Bill O'Reilly said "this is a bad hombre, and you let him out, why?"

    Huckabee: "If I could've known nine years ago that this guy was capable of something of this nature, obviously I would've never granted the commutation. It's sickening...in the case of this particular individual, he sentenced to 108 years for two crimes when he was 16."


    Huckabee, who has been criticized for granting what critics say were too many reduced sentences when he was governor, said corrections officials recommended that Clemmons sentence be commuted to 47 years.


    "That would give him parole eligibility. That was the commutation. I'm responsible for that, and it's not something I'm happy about at this particular moment."


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    I watched the interview tonight and I am not ready to put the blame all on Mr. Huckabee. He did commute the sentence and admtted as much. Taking responsibility in light of being a politician is a plus. He did so with a 5-0 parole board vote for the commutation, and with the judge's recommendation that was present during the trial. After that the pos violated his parole, but the charges were not filed within an appropiate amount of time. After that the pos moved to Washington where he continued to prey on society. There he was granted bail. This is where we are today. Blaming one man for this is not right. Unless the man you want to blame is the shooter. Somewhere along the way we have lost the justice system to the bed wetters. I for one could sleep soundly at night pulling the lever for people like this killer. Until more like me are legislating, judging, and voting we will continue to get this type of justice system. Sorry for bringing the minority opinion.

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    "If I could've known nine years ago that this guy was capable of something of this nature, obviously I would've never granted the commutation.
    Wow. Really? So another bunch of chuckle heads admits to having power to do things they shouldn't have had. To Mr. Huckabee and all others who so casually grant such commutation, reduced sentencing, pardons and paroles. At least take a minute to LOOK AT THE (&%#@%&^%$#ING RECORD of these monsters!! Your brand of "re justice" just cost the lives of 4 protectors of society! I can only sit and wonder what in the hell was going through your minds when considering such an action. Were you throwing darts at the damn wall in your decision making process? Where the hell was the commonsense on the behalf of the decision makers at that time?! Because at this point in the lives of the families of those officers, who by the way may not have voted for you to begin with, the "If I could've known nine years ago" won't cut it.
    I hope this decision haunts you for the rest of your life and has great impact on your future decisions. For all the good it will do now.
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    This isn't the first commutation that bit Huckabee.

    I've said it before and I will say it again - he isn't a conservative. He was famously known for these commutations.

    This just happens to be the one on the news.

    That said, of course he isn't to blame all by his lonesome for any of this.
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    Again the justice system failed and again it is the street cop that has paid the price for it , not the f*#king politicians , not the f#*king judges and not the f*#king lawyers.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Captain America View Post
    Again the justice system failed and again it is the street cop that has paid the price for it , not the f*#king politicians , not the f#*king judges and not the f*#king lawyers.

    ...there's too much of that BS going on lately

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    Quote Originally Posted by Captain America View Post
    Again the justice system failed and again it is the street cop that has paid the price for it , not the f*#king politicians , not the f#*king judges and not the f*#king lawyers.
    Amen.

    Huckabee shouldn't take all the blame but he is VERY high on the list. Way to go justice system....

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    Quote Originally Posted by maclean View Post
    This isn't the first commutation that bit Huckabee.

    I've said it before and I will say it again - he isn't a conservative. He was famously known for these commutations.

    This just happens to be the one on the news.

    That said, of course he isn't to blame all by his lonesome for any of this.
    So would it be safe to say that Huckabee is a RINO?

    No, he shouldn't suffer this blame by himself. The Arkansas and Washington State judicial systems are just as much to blame for this multi-fatality screw-up.

    Huckabee is just catching the flak for this right now because he is the one that is in the public eye at the moment.


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    Huckabee is catching the flack b/c he is the leading Republican for the nomination in 2012(according to recent polls I have seen). He commuted the sentence from 95 to 47 years in Arkansas. I don't agree with all of Huckabee's positions. I still think that the fact that he is being accessable and answering this says something. I heard another interview of his on Neal Boortz's show today. Most politicians would be in a bunker avoiding this at all costs. Don't ask what the media is doing, ask why they are doing it. I still think that Huckabee and the FairTax issue would kill Obama in 12'. There is your why.

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    The Arkansas criminal justice system worked perfectly, putting this animal where he could never harm society again. One man, and only one man, had the power to undo that. He did. A chain of events occurred afterward, a chain which was not that difficult to foretell, at least in generalities. Huckabee caused a mess that Washington state failed to clean up, but it's still Huckabee's fucking mess.

    And Captain America is right. Politicians and lawyers didn't suffer the consequences of Huckabee's mess. Four cops and their families suffered with blood because of Huckabee's mess.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Xiphos View Post
    The Arkansas criminal justice system worked perfectly, putting this animal where he could never harm society again. One man, and only one man, had the power to undo that. He did. A chain of events occurred afterward, a chain which was not that difficult to foretell, at least in generalities. Huckabee caused a mess that Washington state failed to clean up, but it's still Huckabee's fucking mess.
    OK, I can see that now. Huckabee's insiders, maybe? They advised him. But as you say, Huckabee alone made the decision to do what he did.

    Quote Originally Posted by Xiphos View Post
    And Captain America is right. Politicians and lawyers didn't suffer the consequences of Huckabee's mess. Four cops and their families suffered with blood because of Huckabee's mess.
    Absolutely! , and THAT alone is the most sickening part of this catastrophe. A catastrophe that could have been prevented.


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    Quote Originally Posted by CTR man View Post
    So would it be safe to say that Huckabee is a RINO?
    I think what I said was that he isn't conservative.

    He has one good idea about taxes, but the rest of him is moderate to liberal Republican.

    Interestingly, the one good idea he has about taxes would generate more revenue for the big government he typically supports.
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    Quote Originally Posted by maclean View Post
    Interestingly, the one good idea he has about taxes would generate more revenue for the big government he typically supports.
    It was estimated to generate revenue at present levels. Taxes are my number one domestic agenda, hince my continued support. The only perfect politician for me would be me. So I will take what I can get. Having a direct say in how the goverment is funded is a step to returning power to the everyday citizen. I dare say the largest transfer of power to the people since the Revelution. My support is behind the issue, so far Huck is the only one that has carried the banner there.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Five-0 View Post
    It was estimated to generate revenue at present levels. Taxes are my number one domestic agenda, hince my continued support. The only perfect politician for me would be me. So I will take what I can get. Having a direct say in how the goverment is funded is a step to returning power to the everyday citizen. I dare say the largest transfer of power to the people since the Revelution. My support is behind the issue, so far Huck is the only one that has carried the banner there.
    The taxes would generate the current level of government income. The resulting boom to the economy however would be so massive it would actually increase revenue.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Xiphos View Post
    The taxes would generate the current level of government income. The resulting boom to the economy however would be so massive it would actually increase revenue.
    I agree. It would also make every citizen pay into the government at the federal level. Right now roughly 48% of Americans pay no federal income tax. The FairTax is tax reform, not spending reform. Baby steps.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Xiphos View Post
    The taxes would generate the current level of government income. The resulting boom to the economy however would be so massive it would actually increase revenue.


    Precisely.

    I still support the idea, as then the flat tax rate could be lowered - assuming the liberal tendencies of spending it all didn't take over.
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    I would be all for the increased revenue being spent on debt reduction. Washington making that happen would be up to us a voters though.

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