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    Some 9/11 families angry about plans for Ground Zero mosque

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    Wow. I don't blame them for being upset.
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    I would think all of the non-Muslim families would be upset - Like it or not, Islam and terrorism have a very tight link, and there's a reason for that.

    The difference between Muslim and non-Muslim terrorists is that the non-Muslim terrorists generally don't kill in the name of Jesus or God, they do it for political reasons. The only exceptions to that I know of are the occasional nutbags and abortion bombers who will claim to do it in the name of God - But abortion bombing is against abortion, not to promote a religion - so it's really a political motive.

    If I had a family member killed in 9/11, I have to tell you, the thought of burning the damn mosque down would cross my mind more than once.

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    At best, it's tacky and insensitive. At worst it's a deliberate insult. I'm still waiting for their higher ups to decry terrorism in general as wrong, so far they've been curiously silent on that topic.
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    Who in their right mind would appove this? Oh wait, the people that make those decisions aren't in their right mind...

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    Quote Originally Posted by TXCharlie View Post
    The difference between Muslim and non-Muslim terrorists is that the non-Muslim terrorists generally don't kill in the name of Jesus or God, they do it for political reasons.
    That's a tad oversimplified.
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    Quote Originally Posted by maclean View Post
    That's a tad oversimplified.
    Yeah, probably... I just heard an interview with an ex-skinhead last night on the radio - He was saying many murders committed by skinheads are driven by religious reasons, against gays and other races - But still I think they're just using religion to justify crimes they would probably commit against gays and minorities anyway.

    On the other hand, it seems like the terrorists are out to cleanse the world of people who are not of their religion. It is intensified that they feel like their territory is being occupied, but according to them, what they consider "their territory" is based on their religious homelands as they existed centuries ago, which is virtually the whole mid-east.

    There seems to be a difference to me - i don't think for a minute that Skinheads consider themselves to be "True Believers", but I think most Muslim terrorists definitely consider themselves to be "True Believers".

    Maybe that's just the perception I have, but it seems pretty evident to me that there is a clear difference in the level of religious involvement with Islam vs the targeting of mass populations (versus the targeting of individuals for people claiming other religions as an excuse).

    There's also a difference in that Islamic terrorists target people for their religion, whereas I'm not too sure Skinheads and other such terrorists really care about religion except for Jews - I'll never know what they have against Jews, except that they seem to pride themselves on emulating their idol, Adolph Hitler.

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    You are familiar with the 13 counties Irish Catholics have diffrences about with English Protestants, right?
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    I understand why people may feel hurt by this, but I feel that their anger is misplaced. I remember shortly after 9-11 some people were dragging AMERICAN middle-eastern looking cab drivers out of taxis and beating them. People needed an outlet for their anger and it was the wrong way to do it. I have some muslim friends who fought in Iraq and Afghanistan. They should have a place to worship, just as I have mine. Our diversity is what makes America great, and puts us ahead of the close minded people who attacked us. We must fight our enemies and not each other.
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    I still don't quite know how I feel about this, but I'm okay with that since that is what critical thinking often is...evaluation of your true feelings on a matter. I'll admit that I was pretty fired up just from the headline. Then again, that's media sensationalism for you. When you read the article though, you find out that they're just converting an already-existing structure that just happens to be near the site. They aren't constructing the building literally on top of the twin towers site. Like Vengeance said, there are Muslims out there who fight for our country in Iraq and Afghanistan, and there were peaceable Muslims who died in the attacks.

    Kind of playing Devil's Advocate here, but I see why some are mad.
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