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    No one seems to know where mysterious missile launched near L.A. came from

    Nothing like an unexplained missile launch to ruin a perfectly good coastal sunset.
    That was the unsettling reflection that many residents in the Los Angeles area were forced to entertain Monday evening as they gazed out over the ocean and into the storied Southern California sky. All at once, the vista was disrupted by a large missile streaming across the horizon. Nor were area residents especially comforted when they consulted local news outlets about the episode, only to learn that no one seemed to know to whom the missile belonged.
    A KCBS traffic helicopter captured the projectile on camera last night, but the Navy and Air Force claimed to know nothing of any planned launch when contacted by KFMB, a CBS affiliate in San Diego.
    "We put in a lot of calls to the Navy and Air Force tonight," the station's Marcella Lee said. "But so far, no one seems to know anything about this launch."
    "It's spectacular. It takes people's breath away," former U.S. Ambassador to NATO and former Deputy Secretary of Defense Robert Ellsworth told the station after viewing the video. Ellsworth could offer little in the way of speculation about the projectile's origins, beyond supposing that it looked to be an American show of force, but he did classify it as "a big missile." Various reports say that the missile was launched roughly 35 miles out to sea, west of L.A. and north of Catalina Island.

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    Maybe someone stuck a bottle rocket up Rosie O'Donnell's....nevermind.

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    Some form of special ops or para-military unit playing with their toys I expect and got caught out.

    Or North Korea
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    Well, folks....there are only a few people who can do an underwater launch.....and only one of those people have any business 35 miles off our coast...sooooo...I'd love to hear what really happened.

    Maybe someone should go to Bangor Sub Base and start counting missles.


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    Yeah, they know more than they're saying. I don't buy the "Shaggy defense" (aka..."It wasn't me")
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    It is entirely possible is was flight 808.
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    Sure looks like a sub launch ballistic missile booster in the link provided below. The shape fits a silo or sub launched type rocket. The Navy Standard missile off an AEGIS ship is pointy and slender. That thick dense plume is not contrail water vapor from a jet airliner as the FEds are tryig to call it. A fast moving aircraft crosses the trail at about 0.31 sec. The rocket motor cuts out at apprx 0.40 seconds and you can see the mach+ shock wave on the vehicle as it coasts to apogee.

    That is no airplane. My guess is it came from vicinity of San Nicholas Island 75 miles west of LAX and going in the direction of NAS Pt.Mugu, or Vandenberg AFB.

    Is official govt. lying in our face a part of this nebulous "change" we are having inflicted upon us? I thought that went away after Waco and Ruby Ridge...Time for the "O" to create a new cabinet seat "Commissar of Thruth".

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    Mysterious missile launched off California coast?
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    Since that is a VERY BIG missle, the next question is.....where did that bitch come down? If anyone was even remotely close, they should have seen or heard it....and if it was an accidental launch...Norad should have it's trajectory and predicted splash down location.

    And if it was accidental, some sub skipper is looking for a new job. An unadvertised missle launch that close to our shores should have sent the entire Air Defense Command into a shit hemorrage.....


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    I just surprises me that a missile launch off our coast is causing more questions than answers. It also seems strange that more noise isn't being made about it. The shit we don't know and the shit that is swept under the radar is just a little scary.
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    I don't mean to burst anyone's conspiracy bubble, but there is a blogger with a photo that looks just like that taken at the same spot 24 hours later, right as the same flight departs.

    I have no idea if he's right, but it looks damn covincing. He also has a cogent explanation about why the contrail appears vertical from a certain angle.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MacLean View Post
    I don't mean to burst anyone's conspiracy bubble, but there is a blogger with a photo that looks just like that taken at the same spot 24 hours later, right as the same flight departs.

    I have no idea if he's right, but it looks damn covincing. He also has a cogent explanation about why the contrail appears vertical from a certain angle.
    Can you provide a link? Thanks.
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    Ummmmm.....No!


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    Experts: Mystery contrail was from Chinese missile

    Although the U.S. Defense Department and North American Aerospace Defense Command have speculated publicly that the unidentified contrail of a projectile soaring into the skies off the California coast and recorded by a KCBS television crew came from a jet and posed no security threat to the U.S., several experts are raising provocative and disturbing questions about the government's official response, reports Joseph Farah's G2 Bulletin.
    Two governmental military experts with extensive experience working with missiles and computer security systems have examined the television video and conclude the mysterious contrail originating some 30 miles off the coast near Los Angeles did not come from a jet but rather, they say the exhaust and the billowing plume emanated from a single source nozzle of a missile, probably made in China.
    They further suggest the missile was fired from a submerged Chinese nuclear submarine off America's coast, and point out that the timing of the alleged Chinese missile shot coincided with an increasing confrontation between the U.S. and China, and was likely meant to send a message to Washington.
    Indeed, the Federal Aviation Administration documents that there were no aircraft flying in the area at that time, the night of Nov. 8.
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    "The question that still must be answered is why NORAD's muted response was simply that North America was not threatened, and later our government approved the lame excuse that the picture recorded was simply an aircraft leaving a contrail," said retired U.S. Air Force Brig. Gen. Jim Cash.
    A former U.S. Air Force fighter pilot and commander of an F-15 squadron and an F-16 wing, Cash was assigned to NORAD as an assistant director of operations at the Cheyenne Mountain complex near Colorado Springs, Colo., and is fully knowledgeable of NORAD procedures.
    "There is absolutely no doubt that what was captured on video off the coast of California was a missile launch, was clearly observed by NORAD, assessed by a four-star general in minutes, and passed to the president immediately," he said.
    Even more ominously, cautioned Cash: "We must question the timing of this shot across our bow. The president was abroad being diplomatic, which means trying to placate China which is becoming overly concerned with our handling a totally out-of-control deficit in spending."
    Wayne Madsen, a former naval officer who has worked at the National Security Agency and the Naval Data Automation Command, said the inability to pick up what he described as a Chinese Jin-class submarine-launched ballistic missile isn't the first time U.S. Navy anti-submarine warfare sensors have failed.

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    Yea...it's an airplane.

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    There are several rumors originating from ex-defense engineers that it is a missile because there's no evidence of a multi-exhaust port. It appears to be a single nozzle, and the amount of smoke appears to be an aluminum-based rocket motor (like the space shuttle and many ballistic missiles have). An airliner would which would produce a dual-column merged con trail of less density, not a single-column dense one like this with no evidence that it was ever dual-column coming from the exhaust or from preassure differentials of two wings. The contrails from wings are usually much more whispy also, so it was probably from an engine, which makes it more likely to me a missile than if it were wing trails.

    Some of the Internet rags like WorldNetDaily are reporting that the Chinese did a demo firing because Obama was criticizing their money policy while at the overseas summit, plus the always-present Taiwan problem. Also, the President approved the cover story of it being an airliner that previously had not been reported, because the US military did not react, which would have been bad if it had landed on California.

    Sounds like a believable theory, but probably very little evidence other than conjecture. A few experiments would be in order, especially since when conditions are perfect for con trails, you don't just get one - Every plane in that area at that altitude and speed would have made a con trail.

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