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    WAR ON COPS?!?!

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    It sure seems like it, especially down here in Florida. It's getting nuts.
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    I don't think any of this can be connected to a war on cops. More like just a terrible trend.

    I would be curious to see if there is any collaborating data about these perp's and if perhaps they were just let out of jail (overcrowding, etc).

    There also are known links to crime going up when the economy goes down.


    Tragic none the less. Be safe out there!

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    It isn't specifically a war on cops, in my opinion, but a degradation of justice, which we have all been witnessing as a gradual trend over the past thirty years. There has always been lawlessness, yet an outspoken majority (who's cries were heard by our leaders and whose displeasure was felt at the polls), historically held a line against corruption and criminal behavior. But at this point, I personally cannot say that I have ever seen less conscientiousness in the protection of society by those charged with prosecution and adjudication of criminal behavior, nor a more apathetic attitude by those who witness the suffering of those around them at the hands of the predator. That this is the product of desensitization by the sheer bulk of violence and deviance covered by the media or portrayed through entertainment venues, I believe a case is well made.

    Without standing on a soapbox here, I'll just leave a parting shot: When the criminal is befriended and excused by society in any way, shape, or form, the deviant are bolstered and emboldened by the lack of deterrence. They still detest authority, however, which they percieve as a hinderance. The police, being the most obvious and present symbol of authority, therefore become the target of the criminally deviant. I can also say that I've rarely seen a greater distrust of law and authority by the population as a whole, both on the left and the extreme right, with the police caught right in the middle.

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    The court system refuses to lock up dangerous offenders and it refuses to defend and protect law enforcement. The bad guys know we have rules that we must play by and they know there are likely minimal consequences for assaulting and injuring cops. Add hopelessness from drugs, alcohol, and unemployment and there's a recipe for skyrocketing law enforcement deaths.

    The question for society is, when will the citizenry stand up for their defenders and demand politicians and courts defend police the way police defend society?

    When society won't protect the protectors, who will protect society?
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    I surely hope it is not as the headline reads. Not that it matters too much today to the families of these officers we've lost. May this trend end here and not be repeated. May the fallen be remembered well and their families cared for.

    Quote Originally Posted by countybear View Post
    It isn't specifically a war on cops, in my opinion, but a degradation of justice...
    CB - Clipped it since I thought this an idea which might be better discussed more fully in another thread, perhaps a /rant? I'll just say social programs, combined and interrelated to, the displacement of domestic industries are two points I'd like to explore in the decline you outlined.

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    I think the current judicial system has brought this on over the last decade or so. We see it everyday where hardened criminals are getting their charges reduced or thrown out all together for no good reason. When they are reduced the criminals then get minor slaps on the hands and told to behave. Well the criminals know this and have nothing to fear from the courts and aren't being held accountable for their actions anymore.

    Unfortunately here in Florida our new Governor has promised to reduce the prison budget significantly. One of the ways he is talking about doing it is by reducing the mandatory sentences, this will only put more violent criminals on our streets putting us and the citizens in even more danger. I bet this starts happening an a lot of states because of the budget problems being faced.

    In my opinion we should be looking at a 3 strike felony law, and/or a 2 strike violent felony law. With the caveat that State Attorneys cant reduce the crimes unless they can stress in court in front of a judge why it should be, and not for just case load. The arresting officer should be allowed to also speak at the hearing if he chooses as to why it shouldnt be reduced.
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    Simply stated when you let the wolves out, they will cause havoc. We are the last defense and while doing that we all know what is around the corner waiting for us, but we ALWAYS take that corner because we are here to protect the ones that cannot protect themselves. Maybe not a war on cops, but just the lack of respect for anything that stands for right, which as we all know, we stand for!!!!!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Xiphos View Post
    The court system refuses to lock up dangerous offenders and it refuses to defend and protect law enforcement. The bad guys know we have rules that we must play by and they know there are likely minimal consequences for assaulting and injuring cops. Add hopelessness from drugs, alcohol, and unemployment and there's a recipe for skyrocketing law enforcement deaths.

    The question for society is, when will the citizenry stand up for their defenders and demand politicians and courts defend police the way police defend society?

    When society won't protect the protectors, who will protect society?
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    me and my wife were talking the other day about something similar - the conversation came to the old cliche "if you cut off the head" type of point...

    if you cut off the protectors, then who is left to protect (basically what Second Chance said)


    it's a catch and release pond (that we all forgot to read the sign)
    - no one is holding these judges responsible these weak sentences (aren't they elected...)
    - no one is holding these ADA's responsible when we arrest someone for battery with a dangerous weapon and they plea to an attempted open container in a moving vehicle and get 2 days suspended sentence with time served (aren't the DA's elected...)
    - no one "sees" anything when something actually goes down, and when they do they'll flat tell you "well, i'm not going to court, so you might as well not even include that in the report, or just put me as anonymous" (strong neighborhoods = less crime)
    - no one realizes that in order to have more police patrol the streets... you WILL have to increase your taxes, sorry folks - we can't work for free, hell it's just above the poverty level for my base pay right now...
    - no one realizes that police departments are here to enforce and uphold laws... we're not really here to unlock your car doors, walk you across the street, give you a ride because your car broke down, call you a wrecker - because all that crap keeps us from answering a call/patrolling a neighborhood/possibly stopping one of these jack clowns in the middle of a crime


    - I'm not here to babysit you, I'm here to make sure the general population is safe, and to make sure that the status quo stays that way... if you're not happy with that, then you need to figure out a way to change all of society's way of thinking... not mine, because I WILL do my job, I WILL be safe, I will do my damndest to go home at the end of the day because when it comes down to it...

    We're the ones that society is going to come crawling to when the wolves have broken it down to her knees... when the courts realize (too late) that they screwed up... when the rules are all gray... they're gonna come to the sheepdogs and ask them to help...

    and we'll answer saying "been doing that the whole time - why didn't you notice..."





    ok, i'm done - sorry - didn't mean to start a mini-rant


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    I think a lot of it has to do with the media. You can't turn on Fox News or CNN and watch for an hour without hearing another police -done -something -wrong story. Bastards can't wait to show dash camera or cell phone video of an officer doing something wrong or something that they can spin as negative ( was this really necessary ??) It makes for a good TV, live action , drama , an officer making a split second decision that can be second guessed no matter what decision is made by somebody's "legal expert." No other profession has that kind of constant scrutniny. Not doctors ,not lawyers , not judges, not clergy , not accountants ,not teachers , not even politicians. We all know members of these professions are never guilty of anything ethically wrong or criminal , right? I think all this morning quarterbacking of LEOs has deteriorated the public's confidence that most officers are honest and competent.We're presented in the media nowadays as anywhere from Americans version of the SS to modern day Barney Fifes. We either did too much or we're lazy and did not do enough. Criminals pick up on this , they feel justified and embolden to fight back because we are no longer portrayed as the good guys and the courts as been mentioned don't protect us. The criminals can fill themselves with self-righteous indignation and justify their actions cause they were "victimized" having been profiled or picked on because of their , race , religion or past criminal history. The media has a certain amount of blood on the hands druming up all this hate for cops. I, for one , am sick of it. I will gladly give my badge to any media pundit who wants to take my place because obviously your sense of judgement, honesty, training and experience , integrity and work ethic is far superior to mine. Good luck !!

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    ya got that Capt - i've always been a fan of "if you wanna see how it really is - go join the reserves"
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    Quote Originally Posted by moggsp98 View Post
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    I do not consider it a coincidence that we all appear to basically be saying the same thing, just in different words.

    The American criminal justice system has to become less tolerant of those who violate law, and if not, then the people of this nation must hold those who are responsible for that system accountable.

    Unless (or until) this happens, the trends of increasing police fatalities, and increasing violence in general will tragically continue.

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    I agree with all of the sentiments expressed. I don't think there is any one thing that can be singled out for the erosion of our social values, and unfortunately I don't think it's going to change for the better any time soon. These deaths serve as a reminder to me that there's absolutely nothing "routine" about what we do.
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    Quote Originally Posted by countybear View Post
    It isn't specifically a war on cops, in my opinion, but a degradation of justice, which we have all been witnessing as a gradual trend over the past thirty years.

    Very apt.

    I think the "war on cops" headline is to generate bleeding news, and possibly an attempt to start banning those eeeeeeeevil guns.

    Most cops I know don't think there is any war on, and most of us know you are right.

    This isn't a gun problem, it is a criminal problem.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MacLean View Post
    This isn't a gun problem, it is a criminal problem.
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