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    FL Motorist Illegally Detained

    Imagine if cops were doing this:

    Motorists illegally detained at Florida tolls - for using large bills! | Tampa Bay, St. Petersburg, Clearwater, Sarasota | WTSP.com 10 News


    Motorists illegally detained
    at Florida tolls - for using
    large bills!

    Mike Deeson 1 day ago

    Tampa, Florida -- Meet Joel Chandler, who just paid
    his $1.00 toll on the Polk Parkway with a $100 bill,
    he is not allowed to leave unless he provides
    personal info to the toll taker. The toll taker tells
    Chandler this is what happens when they get large
    bills. She says this is what they have to do.

    Chandler says to the toll taker, "So I'm being
    detained?" She says yes sir.

    It is a policy the Florida Turnpike authority
    instituted for people who paid with $20, $50 or
    $100 bills. After it happened once, Chandler kept
    testing the system and taped his encounters as he
    went through the toll booths.

    One time a toll taker told him, she wouldn't give him
    his change unless he gave her the information.
    Chandler replied, "So I'm being detained." He asked
    why he was being detained but never got an answer.

    Chandler says this is a serious criminal offense, to
    detain someone without proper legal authority. He
    says that is exactly what the department is doing.
    When Chandler called and e-mailed the Florida
    Department of Transportation to complain about the
    policy, he was told there is no policy to detain
    people who give large bills. He says that made him
    more concerned, because that meant there were
    individual rogue toll takers detaining people.

    The practice continued at toll booth after toll booth
    and, if someone refused to provide the information,
    they were threatened with arrest. One toll taker told
    Chandler's brother Robert, "I could call FHP. Would
    you like me to do that, sir?" Robert Chandler asked
    why she would call the Florida Highway Patrol when
    he was being illegally detained and the toll taker
    said he could come up with another form of tender.

    Chandler continued to complain and on July 21st at
    7:19 p.m., he received an email from the assistant
    General Counsel of FDOT saying essentially the
    department didn't know what he was talking about
    and they don't have sufficient information to
    investigate. However, earlier that same day, there
    were a flurry of e-mails going back and forth in the
    department saying shut the program down,
    temporarily suspend it and who should call
    Chandler and what should they say.

    According to Chandler, not only was the D.O.T. not
    being truthful about the policy existing, but he also
    says they made a concerted effort to cover it up.

    One reason the department might not have wanted
    the public to know about the program is because of
    whom was being detained.

    Chandler says he thinks it clear from their own
    documents there was a lot of racial profiling going on.
    And when you look at the documents from the
    Florida Department of Transportation you see there
    was a policy change about detaining people who
    gave a 20 dollar bill. The Department decided to
    leave it up to the discretion of the toll takers to
    decide who was suspicious.

    The courts have ruled that is unconstitutional,
    because it allows the preferences and prejudices of
    an individual to make the decision.

    Chandler says 87 percent of the times toll takers
    took the time to fill out the form as to why they
    stopped someone. It was a racial description like,
    young black male, young black male, young
    Hispanic male.

    Although FDOT refused to comment because the
    Department expects to be sued, internal e-mail
    justify the program because of counterfeit bills.
    However, in a 2 and a half year period the DOT got
    $16,000 in counterfeit bills, while at the same time
    it collected close to $2 billion in tolls
    ($1,523,825,404).

    The Department also spent $32,000 on forms used
    to catch the $16,000 in funny money. The
    department also says in e-mails, the program will
    help law enforcement catch counterfeiters.

    However, as Chandler discovered, in the 885 times
    the D.O.T. claims it received counterfeit money, not
    one time was it referred to any law enforcement
    agency of any description.
    Click the link for the rest of the story please.

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    Assholes.

    They're trying to do tolls here, so they can waste more money figuring out how to get people to stop driving.
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    Hell I get pissed about businesses saying they don't accept bills larger than such and such. That little print on our currency that says:


    Meanwhile, fishing in Russia:

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    Big difference between a business choosing what they will accept and a government, though....

    If a business wants to accept shiny rocks it's up to them in my opinion.

    A government trapping you on a bridge is a different sort of problem.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MacLean View Post
    Big difference between a business choosing what they will accept and a government, though....

    If a business wants to accept shiny rocks it's up to them in my opinion.

    A government trapping you on a bridge is a different sort of problem.

    Funny thing, the place this happened the most was gas stations for me. It really isn't a problem anymore.

    Meanwhile, fishing in Russia:

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    Of course it's not a problem at gas stations... You need $100 bills to by a tank of gas any more now!

    Seriously -- I'd say if they're refusing to take legal tender for the toll, we're looking at various offense, from larceny (if they don't provide change) or kidnapping/abduction.

    It's bullshit. They've got no grounds to detain anybody like that.
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    It very much is bullshit, but what is going to be interesting is how the attempted cover up is handled.

    Meanwhile, fishing in Russia:

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    I can kinda understand the rule. However, it should not be left up to discretion. Either let them pay with large bills, or not. The smart thing to say is that they are not detained, but, they can not go through the toll booth without payment.

    That being said, it sounds like this guy is just looking for a payday.
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    Quote Originally Posted by McCrackhd View Post
    That being said, it sounds like this guy is just looking for a payday.
    I think he is looking to stop a BS practice, but even if he is looking to get paid I think it is justified. Then again, I absolutely hate toll roads so I have a bias.

    Meanwhile, fishing in Russia:

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    Ive never heard of this and I live in FL. Then again this is up in the Tampa area and not down here in stupid ville surprisingly enough. This does remind me about a business in Massachusetts or Connecticut several years ago that wouldnt acept cash, credit cards only. They were sued by someone and the courts forced them to accept cash as it is for all debts...etc.
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