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    'Porn-watching' officers inquiry

    The Independent Police Complaints Commission (IPCC) is to investigate officers in Leicestershire who allegedly watched pornography on duty.

    Hidden filming for Channel Four's Dispatches programme also showed some policemen making sexist comments and not believing rape allegations.

    Leicestershire's Chief Constable Matt Baggott said he would be taking firm and appropriate action.

    He urged victims of crime to still come forward and not be put off.

    Reporter Nina Hobson, a former policewoman, went undercover with a hidden camera on the programme, which was shown on Thursday.

    The film showed male officers watching a pornographic video late at night while on duty, as well as officers on patrol playing "hide-and-seek" in their cars and fetching takeaways while pretending to be busy.

    'Damaging footage'

    IPCC Commissioner John Crawley said the issues raised from the programme were "matters that have the potential to undermine public confidence in Leicestershire Constabulary".

    He added the footage could equally damage the police service as a whole if not addressed robustly and openly.

    Chief Constable Baggott apologised for the bad behaviour caught on camera and promised to take "firm but proportionate action".

    He said: "We've got some fantastic facilities to help victims of rape. We don't want a single victim not coming forward because of what they saw last night.

    "The programme itself raised some concerns for me and we'll answer those.

    "But the vast majority of victims get an excellent service from us and I don't want anybody not coming forward because of what they saw last night."

    'Wake-up call'

    However the chairwoman of Rape Crisis in England and Wales, Nicole Westmarland said: "While police responses are slowly improving, there is still a culture of disbelief and a downgrading of rape involving men known to the victim.

    "The programme unfortunately reflected Rape Crisis groups' experiences of the terrible way some police treat victims of rape and other sexual offences.

    "We hope this programme will act as a wake-up call to the police that much more work needs to be done."

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    I could not possibly endorse the comments of this serving police officer but this was posted on a web blog
    http://www.thesleepypoliceman.co.uk/

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    Thursday, April 27 2006, 21:22
    With reference to Dispatches: Undercover Copper.

    I'm not going to address individual points. I'm not going to point out that most of the "evidence" was based on single incidents and hearsay. And throughout the course of this blog you might hear in the background the sound of the author's teeth grinding together as he tries to hold his temper.

    I will just make the few following restrained points:

    1 - If she saw all this at the time, why didn't she report it at the time? Why didn't she challenge it at the time? I can't count the number of times she just responded "OK", or "Yeah", or "I know" to something.

    2 - It's nice to see that balance no longer has a part to play in "factual" television programmes.

    3 - I hope she enjoyed the money.

    But of course morale was too high anyway. We all needed something like this to bring us back down to earth again. I can't wait for the utter paranoia that's going to descend tomorrow.

    The Secret Policeman in 2003 uncovered racism within the force. It did a fantastic job and while it made some people uncomfortable it was good, solid, undercover journalism.

    This however was tawdry, opportunistic and a desperate attempt to try and capture the same sort of acclaim. It took comments out of context and cut people off while they were talking.

    But for what it's worth, tomorrow I'll go back to work and I'll do my job. I'll work hard and this programme won't make a blind bit of difference to me. Frankly I'm not going to let my self-esteem or my opinions of my colleagues be in any way affected by journalists looking to make a name for themselves. And afterwards I will sleep soundly at night. I expect our "reporter" will do as well. After all, selling out can buy a comfy, comfy bed.

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    Leicestershire chiefs response

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    Chief constable responds to television documentary
    The chief constable, Matt Baggott, responding to the television documentary in a video webcast.
    Chief Constable Matt Baggott has strongly refuted a Channel 4 documentary’s portrayal of Leicestershire officers as lazy, disrespectful and failing in their duty of care to the public.

    Speaking after the Dispatches programme was broadcast, Mr Baggott said: “This year Leicestershire Constabulary has returned the best performance for many years. Robbery, vehicle crime, burglaries and serious assaults have all fallen significantly and the detection rate has improved beyond expectation.

    “Alongside this, we have continued to make real inroads into the drugs trade and in deterring gun crime from entering our communities. We have also taken forward, and will continue to progress, measures designed to further improve accountability and efficiency.

    “These are not the achievements of a Force made up of lazy, uncaring police officers. It would be extremely unfair to judge the overwhelming majority of officers, who act with integrity and professionalism, by the actions of a very few.”

    Mr Baggott said he was “disappointed and deeply saddened” by the conduct of some police officers featured in the documentary, captured on footage secretly filmed over a five month period in 2005 by a former police officer turned undercover reporter.

    “Such attitudes and behaviours have no place in a modern, professional police service,” said Mr Baggott, “and any issues raised in the documentary will be acknowledged openly and dealt with speedily and appropriately."

    There were a number of concerns identified in the programme. These are detailed together with a short summary of the Chief Constable's stance.

    Unacceptable attitudes among police officers towards rape and sexual violence

    We are committed to investigating rape and sexual offences professionally and thoroughly. We realise that it can be very difficult for a victim of rape or sexual offence to report the matter to the police for various reasons, and recognising how difficult it is for victims we have measures in place to support victims through the entire process. Our facilities are supported by broad partnerships and we value this support highly.

    Sadly it is true to say that rape is one of the most difficult offences to prove, as it often happens behind closed doors with no witnesses. However, that said, last year in Leicestershire 33 people were successfully convicted of 82 rape offences.

    We regularly review the way in which rapes are investigated and the way victims are dealt with. A number of recommendations arising from the most recent review are currently being implemented to further improve the service we provide, particularly in relation to the timeliness of forensic and medical support.


    A negative attitude towards performance targets resulting in unethical recording and negative comments about other criminal justice agencies

    Official crime figures are now subject to greater scrutiny both internally and externally than ever before. The Force is subject to regular audits, the most recent one in February 2006 by Her Majesty's Inspector of Constabularies. We are consistently found to be recording crimes correctly and ethically.

    I would strongly refute any suggestion that officers are now more focused on hitting targets than protecting the public. Since August last year I have had the honour of presenting 117 officers and police staff with commendations for outstanding work or bravery. During the past two years 518 letters of thanks from members of the public have been sent to individual officers for the service they have provided.

    We greatly value our relationship with our criminal justice partners. However, as with any close relationships there are times when we take a different view on issues and need to express frustration. We deal with such differences of opinion professionally and then move on.

    By working together we have brought more than 25,600 offences to justice between the beginning of February 2005 and the end of January this year.


    A failure in the duty of care to the public by a small number of officers

    I have to stress that attitudes of the kind shown on Dispatches do not represent those of the overwhelming majority of Leicestershire Constabulary officers, who do not deserve to be tarnished by such behaviour.

    Individuals who are shown exhibiting such attitudes/behaviour will be dealt with appropriately.


    Sexism

    There is no place in a modern, professional police service for sexist attitudes and behaviours. Anyone who is found to have fallen short of the high standards expected of them will have to face the consequences.

    I do believe that despite the incidents captured on film that the police service has come a long way in eradicating sexism, but evidently it still exists in some areas of the Force and we will take every opportunity to tackle it.

    Women make up almost 40 per cent of our overall workforce and just over 21 per cent of our police officer numbers. They serve at all ranks from constable to chief superintendent and are also represented in specialist departments such as firearms/weapons training, dog section, special branch, major crime as well as our public order specialist Tactical Support Group.

    We do not tolerate the viewing or displaying of inappropriate images.


    Time wasting

    I was saddened by the examples of time wasting exposed in the documentary among the targeted individuals. This year the Constabulary has returned the best performance for many years.

    We are answering 90 per cent of 999 calls within 15 seconds and are attending 86 per cent of grade one incidents - those requiring immediate deployment - within 15 minutes which is six per cent higher than our target.

    All this demonstrates that the examples of time wasting are not typical of the professionalism of the majority of officers.


    An unacceptable attitude towards prisoners suffering from the effects of Captor spray

    Leicestershire Constabulary does not tell officers to let prisoners suffer rather than use an antidote on them because of cost. We are confident that our policies, national policies and the training we provide on the use of Captor do not advocate leaving anyone to suffer. We have already taken steps to ensure our skills trainers are briefed to ensure there is absolutely no room in anyone's mind when they are trained as to our policy on this matter. Since its introduction in 2004 there have been no complaints from individuals in relation to the after-care of Captor.


    The Chief Constable said: "While I am certain secret filming in any organisation would reveal indefensible or embarrassing attitudes and behaviours, we will not seek to justify any failing to live up to our high standards and expectations. We have already taken some steps to investigate matters of concern, although Dispatches have not yet released the film footage to us and that has obviously slowed our progress."

    The Chief Constable said he was "deeply disappointed" that in the weeks and months she spent with Leicestershire Constabulary, police officer turned reporter Nina Hobson "chose to ignore the huge contribution made by the overwhelming majority of police officers and staff to provide a second to none policing service to the people of Leicester, Leicestershire and Rutland."

    “I am also disappointed that Ms Hobson chose not to raise the matters of concern she filmed at the time. There are a number of ways colleagues can do so - if needs be anonymously. Our confidential reporting line is independently managed for that very reason.

    “Sadly Ms Hobson appears to have chosen not to use any of those channels. Because of this, the incidents of poor behaviour that she filmed were allowed to go unchecked for many months. This is not in the interests of the police service, Leicestershire Constabulary or indeed the people of Leicester, Leicestershire and Rutland that Ms Hobson joined to serve as a police officer.

    “I do not take for granted the efforts of many colleagues who work tirelessly on behalf of the vulnerable and in supporting cohesion in many neighbourhoods. They do not deserve to be labelled through the actions of a minority.

    “I do, however, intend to use this programme as an opportunity to challenge and put right unacceptable practice as I consider our reputation, and the high level of public confidence we enjoy, to be very precious.”

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    Yep its open season on hunting police again

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    I agree....

    However, I find it hard to defend the actions of officers that spend 6 hours of a night shift playing cards..

    Or other officers who drive past a wounded and bleeding man (close to collapse) in the street...just to get back to the station to watch Football on TV....

    The program will give the impression that such activity is conducted by the majority of police officers around the country..

    and I don't think any of it has done us any favours...from the program makers, the undercover reporter...and especially the officers behaving in such a manner...
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    Does anyone have a link to the footage that was shown on tv?

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    Quote Originally Posted by BigBossMan
    Does anyone have a link to the footage that was shown on tv?
    I doubt whether anybody would..

    It's a Channel 4 production...and I don't think there are internet links to it...
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    ok.. .Thanks. How ya doing??

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    Quote Originally Posted by Safety1st
    I agree....

    However, I find it hard to defend the actions of officers that spend 6 hours of a night shift playing cards..

    Or other officers who drive past a wounded and bleeding man (close to collapse) in the street...just to get back to the station to watch Football on TV....

    The program will give the impression that such activity is conducted by the majority of police officers around the country..

    and I don't think any of it has done us any favours...from the program makers, the undercover reporter...and especially the officers behaving in such a manner...
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    Not trying to start anything here as I know I'm a noob on this site. I was wondering why officers are posting negative stories regarding LEO's? Don't we get enough grief as it is without doing this on a LE board? Kind of reminds me when I was on AOL. We had a LE message board where civies could post just like this one. A few people made it their mission to find any and all negative LE stories and post them for all to see. It got real old after a while. We all know that there are a few bad apples amongst us and we will always here about it from the press. I'd like to find a message board though for LEO's where negative stories are not the norm. Am I out of line here or does anyone agree?

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    I know where you're coming from k9forlife..

    However, the story in question if relevant...and is going to form the basis on a whole number of enquiries for UK cops...

    As a result, the ways we work and operate are being called into question..and changes are afoot..

    Consequently, the need to discuss them with fellow LEOs is relevant and is also a good way to either 'sound off'..or to 'share a common worry or problem.'

    It would be nice to post lovely messages about how good the job is...but there are times when enquiries like this one..and posts about fallen colleagues...or injured K9s..or suspended officers....are relevant, pertinent and current..and need to be discussed...

    Like anything on here, if one doesn't wish to read or contribute...it's one's perogative...

    Gary

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    I believe it was filmed over 4 months and the program was 1 hour long with advert breaks.

    I'm sure if I conducted 4 months of covert, directed, intrusive surveillance I would find dirty, criminal or mis-conduct activities on any one in any line of work. Hell with 4 months of footage I could even just pick out genuine errors and mistakes to make some one look incompetent.
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    As a profession, I think it is good to be tranparent & call fellow officers out on their misconduct so the public knows that the vast majority of officers do not approve of that kind of behavior. It depels the myth of the "blue wall of silence."

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    Quote Originally Posted by Safety1st
    I know where you're coming from k9forlife..

    However, the story in question if relevant...and is going to form the basis on a whole number of enquiries for UK cops...

    As a result, the ways we work and operate are being called into question..and changes are afoot..

    Consequently, the need to discuss them with fellow LEOs is relevant and is also a good way to either 'sound off'..or to 'share a common worry or problem.'

    It would be nice to post lovely messages about how good the job is...but there are times when enquiries like this one..and posts about fallen colleagues...or injured K9s..or suspended officers....are relevant, pertinent and current..and need to be discussed...

    Like anything on here, if one doesn't wish to read or contribute...it's one's perogative...

    Gary

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    I hear you and agree mostly. It just gets old seeing negative stories regarding LEO's when there are multitudes of positive stories that never make the front page. I'm all for getting rid of dirty/corrupt and inept cops but like I said before. The press does a pretty good job in making us look like thugs, thieves and morons as it is.

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    The actions of a few ruin it for all.

    I hope the dust settles for you guys across the pond soon.
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    thanks lucky seven..

    Appreciate it..
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