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    Smartphone app alerts driver to responding officers.

    Matthew A. Hale, 29, was arrested last week in Muncie, Ind., after he allegedly fled the scene of a failed stickup at a pharmacy.
    Police accused Hale of being the getaway driver for an accomplice who was supposed to rob the pharmacy. But Hale drove off when things went sour, only to be stopped and arrested shortly thereafter, they said. Bail was set this week at $25,000 on felony charges of attempted armed robbery.
    It's all pretty run-of-the-mill stuff, except for one thing: How did Hale know the heist was falling apart inside the pharmacy as he sat outside in the car?
    How did he know to take off?
    Matthew Hale, it turned out, had a smartphone specifically, a Droid from Verizon Wireless. And on that Droid he had an app that he used to monitor Muncie police radio traffic, Detective Jim Johnson said.
    If you're one of the millions of smartphone users who've downloaded scanner apps with names like iScanner, PoliceStream and 5-0 Radio Police Scanner, pay attention:
    You might be breaking the law.

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    I don't see how it can be illegal to listen to a scanner, if it's not being used to aid a crime (like their second example).
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    Just to throw another monkeywrench into the mix : I leave an old laptop running a Shoutcast server so I can tune into a local station and listen through an app when I'm out of the signal area. I could just as easily plug a scanner into it as the current radio (and then go rob a bank) - what liability could the app writer be open to in this case?

    That wasn't hard to set up, but probably not for your average crim. Not at all hard for the dumbest yob to point his laptop's webcam at a scanner and monitor it via his U-Stream channel on his iPhone though. Just don't like any part of this going after the app developers.

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    In some states, the simple possession of one in a motor vehicle is a crime. No need to be committing a crime.

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    Quote Originally Posted by gopherpuckfan View Post
    In some states, the simple possession of one in a motor vehicle is a crime. No need to be committing a crime.
    Just like MN. You can't have a scanner in your vehicle without a permit.


    We had a guy take off from a burglary he committed. An officer paying attention saw a guy running who matched the suspects description about 5, 6 blocks away. Foot chase, taken into custody, it was the bad guy and he had a phone in his pocket streaming our radio traffic.
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    Quote Originally Posted by gopherpuckfan View Post
    In some states, the simple possession of one in a motor vehicle is a crime. No need to be committing a crime.
    I understand that is the law, but I fail to see how it is constitutional. There is no expectation to privacy on the radio. With the exception of cellular telephones, which is considered the same as a regular landline. Unless you are transmitting on it (which requires a license since you are actually using the airspace), any law restricting the listening to it is an extremely dangerous precedent to set. With the amount of driving I do, especially in the winter, it is extremely valuable to know where accidents are, where the road crews have beenj, or to listen to NOAA WX radio, and monitor SAME alerts. It is legal in my state, but to know that it is illegal in other states really makes me upset. There is no legal basis to have those laws.
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    Any shitbird can walk into Radio Shack with a little cash and buy a portable scanner and get help programming it from the employee. Granted it's a bit easier to download and use on a phone.

    If your agency has a problem with this, encrypt the traffic. You can listen to my agency's freq's all you want but it's encrypted so you won't understand any of it. Radio Shack and your smart phone can't help you.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Xiphos View Post
    Any shitbird can walk into Radio Shack with a little cash and buy a portable scanner and get help programming it from the employee. Granted it's a bit easier to download and use on a phone.

    If your agency has a problem with this, encrypt the traffic. You can listen to my agency's freq's all you want but it's encrypted so you won't understand any of it. Radio Shack and your smart phone can't help you.
    Actually they make APCO-25 scanners, if you have about 400 to spare but to monitor an encrypted channel I think falls under the same statute regardind monitoring cell phones.
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    Quote Originally Posted by 213th View Post
    Actually they make APCO-25 scanners, if you have about 400 to spare
    And you have the encryption key.
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    So I hadn't really thought of checking these things out before, but found that my old agency is one that streams online through the internet. Kinda nice to just have it on in the background and see what's going on in my old stomping grounds.
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