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    Suspected intruder stabbed to death in Bramhall burglary

    BBC News - Suspected intruder stabbed to death in Bramhall burglary

    A man has been arrested on suspicion of murder after the death of a suspected intruder at a Greater Manchester house.
    Police found a man, aged in his 30s, with knife injuries after they were called to a house in Midland Road, Bramhall, at 19:50 BST on Saturday.
    He was given first aid by paramedics and responding officers, but died a short time afterwards. A second man fled the scene.
    A 39-year-old man believed to be the householder has been arrested.
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    Why the hell would they arrest the homeowner for protecting his home. I say give that man a medal and a parade.
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    Quote Originally Posted by pgg View Post
    Why the hell would they arrest the homeowner for protecting his home. I say give that man a medal and a parade.
    Either there's more to the story, or I'm glad we separated from England.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rhino View Post
    Either there's more to the story, or I'm glad we separated from England.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pgg View Post
    Why the hell would they arrest the homeowner for protecting his home. I say give that man a medal and a parade.
    I say, old chap, it's bloody England, you know. Ta Ta

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    Quote Originally Posted by pgg View Post
    Why the hell would they arrest the homeowner for protecting his home. I say give that man a medal and a parade.
    Self defense, in practice, is illegal there. I'll bet the homeowner is punished more than the average thug murderer because he's not a part of the protected class of poor criminals.

    Here, the burglar would have been shot dead and I'd shake the homeowners hand and congratulate him on a job well done. It would be classified as a Burglary, Case Closed Exceptionally: Death of Offender.
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    Self defence isn't illegal in the UK several similar cases have happened in the recent past where no action was taken against the homeowner after an investigation.
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    A 39-year-old man believed to be the householder has been arrested.
    Damn shame right there.
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    Blimey thar, captain repelled a scurvy dog come to steal his booty and they be measuring his neck for the yardarm? No scallywag that biscuit eater, reckon lily-livered landlubbers be cuddling ewes too long, aye!

    So, yeah, other than asking the man if he needs a mop inspector to drop to verify sanitary disinfection after he's cleaned up the blood there's no further need of the state here.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Standard Dave View Post
    Self defence isn't illegal in the UK several similar cases have happened in the recent past where no action was taken against the homeowner after an investigation.
    Legally perhaps. In practice not so much. Munir Hussain would probably disagree with you. It's easier to prosecute victims than address the myriad problems associated with the protected class of welfare criminals.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Xiphos View Post
    Legally perhaps. In practice not so much. Munir Hussain would probably disagree with you. It's easier to prosecute victims than address the myriad problems associated with the protected class of welfare criminals.
    I expect he would so might Tony Martin, but they took the law into their own hands something that if everyone did applying their own moral and ethical code and handing out what ever punishment they saw fit would no doubt see the complete collapse of law and order.
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    My home is my castle. If you break-in expect to answer to my fire breathing Remington 870.

    Around here criminals know that most homes have guns and owners who use them, so they go around and look for the little old ladies, knock on the door to see if someone is home, and if not then they break in. Not even criminals are dumb enough to blindly break into a house around here, cause its a virtual death sentence. Which in itself is a deterent. Criminals seek the weak, not the well prepared. If you have a country that has pretty much banned self defense, the criminals have very little to fear, which creates a lot of victims.

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    I'd say it would be pretty much standard practice for us to arrest. This enables a proper and above board interview with the advantage of legal representation. This way the police are not seen to be the judge and jury.
    He has been released on bail so that an investigation can be carried out. It will be the crown prosecution service who progress any decisiion on wether to prosecute, not the police service.
    We may well wish to shake the mans hand and congratulate him on a job well done, sadly that has to be done by someone else, at least in public.
    As with all such cases it will boil down to wether the force used was reasonable in the circumstances.
    You can bet the decision not to prosecute will not be as widely reported. At least by the "Daily Mail" or Bias Broadcasting Company.
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    I can of course see some really good advantages to taking someone in custody on a case like this. I mean how many times to we start working a murder case only to find someone not being truthful about what happened. At least by arresting them right then you know that when you have a question for them they will be right were you left hem and not one the first flight out of town. I would think that like with anything once the facts are presented to the Crown Prosecutor the guy would be let go without charging.

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    More often than not I've seen avoiding custody to keep investigative avenues open. It's a discretionary thing that depends on the case and then initial facts. From what I've read, the US and Canadian LE have much more discretion at the officer/investigator level than our counterparts in England which has a lot to do with how the initial responding officers are going to deal with a call.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Xiphos View Post
    More often than not I've seen avoiding custody to keep investigative avenues open. It's a discretionary thing that depends on the case and then initial facts. From what I've read, the US and Canadian LE have much more discretion at the officer/investigator level than our counterparts in England which has a lot to do with how the initial responding officers are going to deal with a call.
    You are probably right. Although when with minor incidents it's down to the attending officer. When it comes to any murder, fatal collision then the whole circus turns out with more chiefs than indians.
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    Pleasing nobody, one person at a time.

    That which does not kill me, better start fucking running.

    If I lived every day like it was my last, the body count would be staggering.

    I intend to go in harm's way. -John Paul Jones

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