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    Texas School Shooting: Brownsville Police Shot And Killed Armed Middle School Student

    BROWNSVILLE, Texas — The morning bell had rung and students were settling into their first period classes Wednesday when a voice broke in over the public address system: Cummings Middle School was on lockdown.
    As teachers initiated the school's emergency procedures, locking their classroom doors, turning off the lights, drawing the shades, and calming their confused and worried charges, some students took comfort by climbing under their desks. One boy said he heard police officers charge down the hallway and shout "put down the gun." Then shots, three of them, most students said.
    The officers shot and killed an eighth-grade student who pointed a handgun at them, Brownsville police detective J.J. Trevino told The Associated Press. The 15-year-old, whose name police and district officials didn't immediately release, was taken to a local hospital and pronounced dead.
    Investigators were trying to determine why the boy had the gun at school and whether he fired any shots, Trevino said.
    "It's still under investigation, as far as how he came about to bringing the weapon or if he encountered anybody or anything else," he said. Police scheduled a news conference for later Wednesday to discuss the case.
    News of the incident spread quickly through this border city on Texas' southern tip, and frantic parents rushed to the downtown school to find their children.
    Jade Rodriguez, an 11-year-old sixth-grader, said the experience was frightening.
    "I was nervous. I was under the desk," she said. Administrators said the school would be closed on Thursday but that students could attend classes at a nearby elementary school if they wished. Jade said she too afraid and would stay home.
    With police and district officials saying little about the shooting in its immediate aftermath, those details that did trickle out came mainly from students at the 750-pupil school.

    Texas School Shooting: Brownsville Police Shot And Killed Armed Middle School Student
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    How sad. Wonder where he got the gun from?
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    Sad situation but at least the procedures for lockdown and response seemed to work.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Pudge View Post
    some students took comfort by climbing under their desks.
    Do they still teach duck and cover?


    Sucks to be those officers, but atleast they are going home to their families tonight.
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    Police say they have received death threats since fatally shooting a South Texas 8th-grade student who was carrying what appeared to be a weapon, but turned out to be a pellet gun.
    Interim Police Chief Orlando Rodriguez told The Brownsville Herald Thursday that the department received threatening phone calls overnight concerning Wednesday morning’s incident at Cummings Middle School, in which 15-year-old Jaime Gonzalez was shot three times by Brownsville police. No one else was injured.

    Police said the boy was brandishing — and refused to drop — what appeared to be a handgun and that the officers acted correctly. They revealed late Wednesday that it was just a pellet gun that closely resembled the real thing.
    Jaime’s distraught parents demanded to know why police took lethal action against their son. Because he pointed a gun at them!
    "Why was so much excess force used on a minor?" the boy's father, Jaime Gonzalez Sr., asked The Associated Press outside the family's home Wednesday night. "Three shots. Why not one that would bring him down?"Because he pointed a gun at them!
    His mother, Noralva Gonzalez, showed off a photo on her phone of a beaming Jaime in his drum major uniform standing with his band instructors. Then she flipped through three close-up photos she took of bullet wounds in her son's body.
    "What happened was an injustice," she said angrily. "I know that my son wasn't perfect, but he was a great kid." He pointed a gun at police!
    Jaime had gunshot wounds on his shoulder and rib cage, and one in the back of his head.Because he pointed a gun at them!
    "That's the shot that bothers me the most," Jaime Gonzalez Sr. said to The Brownsville Herald.
    Police Chief Rodriguez said the teen was pointing the weapon at officers and "had plenty of opportunities to lower the gun and listen to the officers' orders, and he didn't want to."
    The chief said his officers had every right to do what they did to protect themselves and other students even though there weren't many others in the hallway at the time. Police said officers fired three shots.
    Shortly before the confrontation, Jaime had walked into a classroom and punched a boy in the nose for no apparent reason, Rodriguez said. Police did not know why he pulled out the weapon, but "we think it looks like this was a way to bring attention to himself," Rodriguez said.
    If the boy were raising the gun as if to fire at someone, "then it's unfortunate, but the officer certainly would have the right under the law to use deadly force."
    Officers shot the teen with assault rifles, the interim police chief said, according to The Brownsville Herald.
    His godmother told The Herald of the 15-year-old boy who was 5 feet, 7 inches tall: “He wasn’t a bad kid. He looked like a big boy, a man, but he was a child. He was innocent. ... He wasn’t going to hurt anybody, I can assure you. He would have never hurt anybody. I want those parents to know, don’t judge him if you don’t know him.” I am sorry for the familys lost but the officers did what had to be done. i feel sorry for the officers that have to go through this.


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    Quote Originally Posted by JLK View Post
    Police say they have received death threats since fatally shooting a South Texas 8th-grade student who was carrying what appeared to be a weapon, but turned out to be a pellet gun.
    Interim Police Chief Orlando Rodriguez told The Brownsville Herald Thursday that the department received threatening phone calls overnight concerning Wednesday morning’s incident at Cummings Middle School, in which 15-year-old Jaime Gonzalez was shot three times by Brownsville police. No one else was injured.

    Police said the boy was brandishing — and refused to drop — what appeared to be a handgun and that the officers acted correctly. They revealed late Wednesday that it was just a pellet gun that closely resembled the real thing.
    Jaime’s distraught parents demanded to know why police took lethal action against their son. Because he pointed a gun at them!
    "Why was so much excess force used on a minor?" the boy's father, Jaime Gonzalez Sr., asked The Associated Press outside the family's home Wednesday night. "Three shots. Why not one that would bring him down?"Because he pointed a gun at them!
    His mother, Noralva Gonzalez, showed off a photo on her phone of a beaming Jaime in his drum major uniform standing with his band instructors. Then she flipped through three close-up photos she took of bullet wounds in her son's body.
    "What happened was an injustice," she said angrily. "I know that my son wasn't perfect, but he was a great kid." He pointed a gun at police!
    Jaime had gunshot wounds on his shoulder and rib cage, and one in the back of his head.Because he pointed a gun at them!
    "That's the shot that bothers me the most," Jaime Gonzalez Sr. said to The Brownsville Herald.
    Police Chief Rodriguez said the teen was pointing the weapon at officers and "had plenty of opportunities to lower the gun and listen to the officers' orders, and he didn't want to."
    The chief said his officers had every right to do what they did to protect themselves and other students even though there weren't many others in the hallway at the time. Police said officers fired three shots.
    Shortly before the confrontation, Jaime had walked into a classroom and punched a boy in the nose for no apparent reason, Rodriguez said. Police did not know why he pulled out the weapon, but "we think it looks like this was a way to bring attention to himself," Rodriguez said.
    If the boy were raising the gun as if to fire at someone, "then it's unfortunate, but the officer certainly would have the right under the law to use deadly force."
    Officers shot the teen with assault rifles, the interim police chief said, according to The Brownsville Herald.
    His godmother told The Herald of the 15-year-old boy who was 5 feet, 7 inches tall: “He wasn’t a bad kid. He looked like a big boy, a man, but he was a child. He was innocent. ... He wasn’t going to hurt anybody, I can assure you. He would have never hurt anybody. I want those parents to know, don’t judge him if you don’t know him.” I am sorry for the familys lost but the officers did what had to be done. i feel sorry for the officers that have to go through this.

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    I'm surprised it wasn't more.
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    Quote Originally Posted by JLK View Post
    "Why was so much excess force used on a minor?" the boy's father, Jaime Gonzalez Sr., asked The Associated Press outside the family's home Wednesday night. "Three shots. Why not one that would bring him down?"There was no excess force used. The force used was sufficient to stop the suspect from being a further threat to people.
    Corrected it for you.
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    . ... He wasn’t going to hurt anybody, I can assure you. He would have never hurt anybody.
    Thanks to the officers, he didn't. Other then the kid he punched in the nose.
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    It's a shame that a decision by the kid will likely haunt the others involved. The officers did what needed to be done in response to the boys actions.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Broke Hoss View Post
    It's a shame that a decision by the kid will likely haunt the others involved. The officers did what needed to be done in response to the boys actions.
    THIS too.

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    UPDATE: the kid was hit twice, both center mass. no headshot. The headshot report was found to be a cut on the head from falling.

    I read about this on Yahoo news, its good to see the comments section is largerly in favor of the police as it should be. I feel bad for the officers involved. I know its not politcally correct, but they did as trained and went home to their families, so well done.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bjohnson63 View Post
    I feel bad for the officers involved. I know its not politcally correct, but they did as trained and went home to their families, so well done.

    We are not paid for "what we do". We are paid for "what we are expected to do". Some people will never grasp that concept.

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    I fully believe that the Officer's did the right thing. They stopped threat before it escalated to a hostage situation.

    However I do understand the parents feelings. It was their child and a parent will defend their child even when there is a mountain of evidence that says they were in the wrong.

    I feel bad for the Officers involved and the family, it is a bad situation all around.

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    I noticed it says he was in 8th grade, but was 15yoa? That seems a little old for middle school. Wonder if there were some development or educational issues at play here. Either way, asd all around.
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