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    Article on Tazers written by some liberal who wants them banned

    Stun guns, those wonderful toys that allow police to disable suspects by piercing them with two darts that send electric current through their central nervous system, don't kill people or contribute to their deaths. The devices actually save lives and cut down on police injuries.

    So goes the hype from Taser International of Scottsdale, Ariz., the leading manufacturer of the weapons, and testimonials from more than 9,000 police and military agencies, including 131 in Connecticut, that have added Tasers to their arsenal

    Perhaps it was just incredibly bad timing that caused about 180 suspects in the United States and Canada to drop dead shortly after police jolted them with stun guns. According to medical examiners, they really died of drug intoxication, bad health or their hearts just stopped beating through no fault of the Tasers. A very high number of post-tasing deaths were caused by "excited delirium syndrome," a recently discovered condition, not yet recognized by the American Medical Association or the American Psychiatric Association, that seems to occur only in police restraint fatalities.

    That's right, all those people would have died anyway. Stun guns aren't dangerous at all. And my name is Daffy Duck.

    Not only can stun guns cause serious injury, they've given casual torture a perversely fashionable appeal. Turning a suspect into a spastic pile of flesh by preventing his muscles from contracting for five seconds at a time has ceased to be repulsive - just another day at the office. Besides, those most likely to require zapping are street-corner drug addicts and emotionally disturbed poor people. So who cares?

    But that's precisely why the state should follow the advice of Amnesty International and ban stun guns until it formulates consistent and coherent rules that address their potential to kill. Data shows that drug addicts and mental patients are also the most vulnerable to dying after being zapped.

    Yet, the only unwavering guideline seems to be that a Taser should be fired as often as is appropriate to subdue a suspect - a standard open to very broad interpretation, depending on where you happen to be.

    The absence of uniform criteria means that what may pass as excessive or inappropriate tasing in, say, West Hartford could be perfectly acceptable in New Britain, where Jesus Negron died last month after an officer stunned him twice in front of a witness who said Negron was handcuffed to a stairway railing when the second shot was fired. New Britain at least has a general set of written guidelines on Taser use. Stamford, which equipped its police department with Tasers only a few weeks ago, has no written rules.

    Some police departments limit the number of times that a stun gun may be fired. Others don't. Some departments require a full written report whenever a stun gun is fired. Others can't be bothered with the paperwork simply because stun-gun use is already so routine that filling out reports would gridlock the agency. Some departments prohibit officers from zapping children, senior citizens and pregnant women and only seven states and the District of Columbia prohibit civilians from possessing stun guns. What's more, no one seems to know how much juice is enough. The strength of the electric current in a stun gun varies depending on the model and the manufacturer.

    Still, Taser International has succeeded in building a perception that the gadgets are effective, safe and above reproach, an opinion aided by the firm's employment of off-duty police officers as Taser trainers. Taser International spokesman Steve Tuttle said that the company has compensated many trainers with stock options, an additional incentive for them to promote the product among colleagues as the greatest thing that ever happened to law enforcement.

    Not that stun guns are a hard sell. Studies confirm that they do help to dramatically reduce police injuries and cops will embrace anything that improves their odds of making it to those fat retirement pensions without a scratch.

    Unfortunately, the lack of regulation and the generally accepted principle that stun guns are harmless leave way too much room for the proverbial loose cannon with a badge to take a life needlessly and escape close scrutiny.

    That's unconscionable. And until Connecticut closes that loophole, there should be a moratorium on stun gun use.

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    That's right, all those people would have died anyway. Stun guns aren't dangerous at all. And my name is Daffy Duck.
    Hi Daffy, I'm Satan, and I'll see you in hell And go ahead, ban Tasers. It's better to shoot them dead anyhow. And just for that "fat retirement pension checks" crack, I hope you get cornered by someone that should have been on the business end of a Taser, but got away instead. Idiot.
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    Hmmm, did Jenna write this?

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    Can we have a link so as to "educate" the author?
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    Quote Originally Posted by LawEnforcementForums
    Perhaps it was just incredibly bad timing that caused about 180 suspects in the United States and Canada to drop dead shortly after police jolted them with stun guns. According to medical examiners, they really died of drug intoxication, bad health or their hearts just stopped beating through no fault of the Tasers. A very high number of post-tasing deaths were caused by "excited delirium syndrome," a recently discovered condition, not yet recognized by the American Medical Association or the American Psychiatric Association, that seems to occur only in police restraint fatalities.

    That's right, all those people would have died anyway.
    Stun guns aren't dangerous at all. And my name is Daffy Duck.

    I can't even get through the article b/c my head starts hurting from the excessive eye-rolling.

    I do have to say though, I COULD agree with him. Those 180 deaths wouldn't have died... if only the bastards hadn't 1) broken the law and 2) tried to fight the police.

    I wonder if the author has the statistics on how many LEO's died while being tazed to get certified to carry one as well.
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    3)Not being hopped up on PCP or heroin helps with 1) and 2)
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    Not that stun guns are a hard sell. Studies confirm that they do help to dramatically reduce police injuries and cops will embrace anything that improves their odds of making it to those fat retirement pensions without a scratch.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LawEnforcementForums
    Not that stun guns are a hard sell. Studies confirm that they do help to dramatically reduce police injuries and cops will embrace anything that improves their odds of making it to those fat retirement pensions without a scratch.
    I hadn't seen that. Wow. Yeah, those bastard cops... always being selfish and thinking about their pensions when a criminal jackass is wanting to fight. Silly me thought the cop was just trying to make sure he'd be getting off his shift and going home to his family instead of being taken to the hospital before his shift ended. I'm so naive.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Andrewtx

    Done...
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    Quote Originally Posted by TXCOP
    Hmmm, did Jenna write this?
    No I didn't. What makes you think I'm anti-Taser? I'm leftist, not clueless!

    I think tasers are great, and I wish more officers had them. It's obvious that tasers hurt suspects far less than guns or even batons. Amnesty International has fine ideals, but the policies it promotes are often unrealistic and ignorant about local conditions--in the US and elsewhere.
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    A very high number of post-tasing deaths were caused by "excited delirium syndrome," a recently discovered condition, not yet recognized by the American Medical Association or the American Psychiatric Association, that seems to occur only in police restraint fatalities.
    What he conveniantly failed to mention, is it is directly associated with drug use - specifically:

    Cocaine excited delirium

    Apart from the effects of cocaine described above, an important but unusual complication of cocaine use, termed agitated delirium or excited delirium, began to be apparent during the epidemic of cocaine use in the USA in the 1980s.48 It may well be an extreme form of cocaine toxicity.40 Although it may rarely complicate mental or physical illnesses, it is most commonly associated with cocaine use. Emergency physicians, anaesthetists and intensive care staff should be aware of it, as cases are now occurring in Britain. It occurs in regular cocaine users who have used the drug within the last 24 h; there is no evidence that an overdose of cocaine has been taken and there is no readily apparent precipitating cause. Four elements occur in close succession: hyperthermia, agitated behaviour, collapse and death (Table 3). The number of self-limiting cases is unknown. The individual becomes aware of an increase in body temperature, sweats profusely and attempts to cool down by tearing off clothes and cooling himself with cold water. This stage merges into a phase of confusion and agitation. In many cases, the person wanders into the street shouting and behaving erratically. He may hide behind bushes or attack his image in mirrors or shop windows. After a period of time the individual becomes subdued and may die.
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    When will people realise that if people didn't get tazered they would get shot with a 9mm or a .45 which is a lot more lethal.

    People who want to fight need to be stopped if it can be done with CS/OC or Tazer it causes less long term damage than a firearm or a baton.

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    Take away the Tasers and OC, stupid people should die.....Sorry thats a bad response.

    There is a study that says that cops are going to the taser when they should be going for their gun. we talked about it in another thread i believe...


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    email sent to this biased, leftest butt-hole. Wonder if he will answer any of them?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Standard Dave
    When will people realise that if people didn't get tazered they would get shot with a 9mm or a .45 which is a lot more lethal.
    my thoughts exactly
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    Don't worry when they get the tazers then they'll take your guns. They don't want any of the bad guys hurt, just citizens and cops.

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    To bad this idiot doesn't know the difference between a stun gun and a taser fucking moron.
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    I don't know if it would mean shooting if they took away my taser, but I am sure that it would mean beat to incapacitation. To give one story, we have a guy in this county that regularly took six or more officers to cuff. When his name came over the radio, people got out of bed at home to go help the officer dealing with him. He liked pepper spray. He put teeth marks in a Maglite. He bent an ASP over his head. He put alot of cops in the hospital. First time he got hit by the taser, it took two officers to subdue him. Two. The only injuries that occured happened prior to the taser being deployed because one officer got seperated from his partner by a door. Bad mistake, quickly fixed. Yeah. Tasers are horrible. I am Daffy Duck. Ya f#*&.
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