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    Teenager killed after parents send him to jail to "teach him a lesson."

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    Parents seek answers over son's death
    Aug 26, 2006

    The parents of 17-year-old Liam Ashley, who was beaten to death en route to prison, say they were the ones who charged him with theft.

    Ashley was found badly beaten in the back of a Chubb Security van on Thursday night. Although he was revived by paramedics at the scene, he died on Friday.

    Ashley's family say his parents wanted to teach him a lesson about the consequences of breaking the law. He had taken his mother's car without permission so they had him charged him with theft.

    On Thursday Ashley appeared at the North Shore District Court. The judge offered him bail but his parents chose to send him to prison as a deterrent.

    But on the trip to Auckland Central Remand prison, he was believed to have been strangled and assaulted by two others in the van.

    Ashley's family have issued a statement listing 10 questions they want answered, such as why was a 17-year-old with no history of serious crime or violence was transported unattended with more serious offenders?

    Head of Public Prisons Harry Hawthorne says that "best practice would be that young prisoners should be separated from older prisoners. That may not always be possible."

    Chubb Security says it is investigating the incident but will not comment further.

    Police, the Department of Corrections and Chubb Security are all running separate investigations but no arrests have yet been made.



    Thoughts?

    Tragic turn of events but not the parents fault?

    Or are they partially responsible for using the jail system as a parenting tool and thereby exposing their son to a potentially dangerous situation?

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    "Ashley's family say his parents wanted to teach him a lesson about the consequences of breaking the law. He had taken his mother's car without permission so they had him charged him with theft."

    Bet this was the straw, not the first time.
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    Transporting multiple prisoners - apparently none of whom were secured/cuffed - without a guard in there with them?! Why don't you throw in running with scissors for sheer lunacy!!!

    I don't approve of the parents using the "system," but then our "system" here wouldn't even let that happen.
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    The parents were not necessarily "using the system". The son broke the law, he was arrested and sentenced. No fault of theirs. Now, as far as how he was transported, there had to be more to this. Where were the transport guards? What is the procedure for transport and was it followed? Was he being charged as an adult or juvenile, and if as a juvenile, why was he being transported with what sounds to be adults? Lot of unanswered questions in that story.
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    Quote Originally Posted by 1sgkelly
    Bet this was the straw, not the first time.
    "Ashley's family have issued a statement listing 10 questions they want answered, such as why was a 17-year-old with no history of serious crime or violence was transported unattended with more serious offenders?"

    You're right, he could've been a beginner criminal.

    Quote Originally Posted by conalabu
    Lot of unanswered questions in that story.
    I agree. And that kind of annoys me too.

    But for this reason "The judge offered him bail but his parents chose to send him to prison as a deterrent." I don't think all blame should go to the DOC. Evidently the judge felt that bail was sufficient but the parents decided to send him to prison.... were they really dumb enough to think it was like summer camp?
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    I would say stealing a car IS a "serious crime". At least, in MN it's felony theft.

    Maybe, because they were using the CJ system as a parenting tool they felt that the crime wasn't as "significant". But, in our jail, anyone who steals a car is at LEAST in the "moderate security" cell block, if not max. Of course, I'm talking about a Co. Jail, not a prison.

    In addition, because of his age (17) he SHOULD have been segregated from adult prisoners. I can only cite my own knowledge of MN laws, and my training and experience, but in our jail (and throughout MN) juvies have to be sight and sound seperated from adult inmates.

    Also, again, citing my opwn training and experience, if I'm transporting prisoners ANYWHERE they are handcuffed w/ a belly chain, and leg shackled.

    As I've already said a couple times, I'm going by what I know as a former CO, and what I know about MN laws and my former employers policy and training.

    Long story short, I'd say the blame is 50/50.
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    I took the part "took his mother's car without permission" to be just that...which to me is way different then stealing a car.

    We generally read people the riot act when they try to report a vehicle stolen when it's a civil/family dispute. We also remind people it's against the law to file a false report.

    The blame goes squarely on the private company doing the transports, and the agency that failed to oversee their work.
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    "no history" could simply mean he hadn't been arrested before. But how often do you think parents catch their kids with pot or ear deep in with a bad crowd before they get caught by authorities?


    Although, my mother did tell me repeatedly that if I ever got arrested, she wasn't posting bail.
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    Or.....they could be overly strict adults who take every act as "defiance" - like the many parents who call 911 when their kids say "no"

    The fact remains that a juvenile was being transported with adult prisoners (not allowed in California)

    There was no guard in the back to ensure anyone's safety (irresponsible)

    None of the prisoners was secured in a way to ensure no contact between prisoners (criminally negligent)
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ducky
    "no history" could simply mean he hadn't been arrested before. But how often do you think parents catch their kids with pot or ear deep in with a bad crowd before they get caught by authorities?


    Although, my mother did tell me repeatedly that if I ever got arrested, she wasn't posting bail.

    Ducky makes an excellent point. No history doesn't mean a thing other than this is the first time he was being prosecuted for a crime. I would bet that he has had some issues in the past.

    My parents told me that too, but I would not want to be bailed; my parents would have kicked my ass. I'd have felt safer in jail.

    Bottom line, its sad for the family, but he won't be breaking the law anymore.

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    More information from the ongoing story.....

    But a well-placed source told the Herald on Sunday a man in his 20s, on remand for allegedly using a crowbar to assault police, was likely to be charged over the death. It is understood he used his handcuffs to strangle Liam, an attack witnessed by 12 other remand prisoners who were in the prison van at the time. No security guards were in the rear of the vehicle when the assault took place.
    Ashley was locked into one of four compartments in the back of the van with two others, one classified as a dangerous criminal, for the trip from North Shore District Court to Mt Eden.
    He said assaults involving prisoners under escort were "not uncommon", but guards could not do anything about them. "While you're driving along you can hear something in the back, but you can't stop because it could be a set-up for them to jump out and run away," he said.

    "You can only stop once you get to a police station or back to the prison."
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