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    Police to Muzzle Dog Squads!

    The world's going mad!!

    Police to muzzle dog squads for fear of being sued


    The police are worried about compensation claims!

    Police dogs are being muzzled to stop them biting and injuring suspected criminals, it emerged yesterday.
    The policy, devised by North Wales Police, comes as a result of increased compensation claims from members of the public who have been bitten by police dogs.
    Officers say the toothless tactic provides a safer way to tackle unco-operative offenders, and it may soon be adopted by dog squads across the country.
    But critics say it is another example of political correctness gone mad - putting the rights and safety of criminals before cutting crime and protecting the public.
    Rather than biting suspects, the dogs have instead been trained to disable their targets by leaping at them and delivering a flying 'head-butt'.
    The tough Belgian Malinois breed - similar to an Alsatian - is favoured by the North Wales force, which is headed by controversial chief Richard Brunstrom. To protect the animals, a metal rod across the front of the muzzle helps absorb the impact of the strike.
    'Instead of biting, the dog is muzzled and launches itself like a missile at the midriff of the target,' said Deputy Chief Constable of North Wales, Clive Wolfendale.
    'It is one of the additional options open to us to muzzle our dogs and get them to use a head butt,' said Sgt Ian Massie. 'We believe it is a safer option for an offender to be head-butted.'
    But retired dog handler John Barrett, who served for 18 years with the Metropolitan Police, is critical of the new tactic.
    'This sounds like political correctness. It is very strange - I think the public would laugh at you with a muzzled dog, and it could be counterproductive if people think the dog has to be muzzled because it is dangerous.'
    The officer that pioneered the technique, Sgt Gareth Crowe, says the flying head charge is the equivalent of a baton blow if the dog has a full run-up.
    The technique has been deemed so successful that muzzled dogs are also being used for crowd control at football games.
    'Sometimes people think a dog can't do anything because it is muzzled, and they are caught out be the power and speed of the tactic,' said Sgt Crowe.
    'For me, it is a high-level use of force to physically bite a person. We've now got a continuum of force that gives us another tactical option to deploy the dog.
    'The 'conflict management model' of policing says that any force must be reasonable under the circumstances. It is clearly to gain control, prevent injury to the officer or others, and prevent damage to property.'
    North Wales Police Chief Constable Richard Brunstrom earlier this year faced criticism from within his own ranks for plans to award his officers points for making arrests or handing out fines.
    Under the scheme, they could receive twice as many for seizing an abandoned car as for making an arrest.
    Mr Brunstrom, the Government's adviser on road safety and speed cameras, has earned himself the nickname the 'Mad Mullah of the Traffic Taliban'.
    In 2003, he called for the number of cameras to be trebled and the following year admitted getting officers to 'hide behind road signs and walls' with handheld devices. His force has also been criticised for its appalling burglary clear-up rate and for launching costly inquiries into alleged anti-Welsh comments by Tony Blair and Anne Robinson.

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    Yeah, I read something about that earlier. That is just crazy. That's like having a gun, but no bullets.

    I hope that trend doesn't catch on anywhere else in the U.K., or anywhere else for that matter.

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    That's so wrong. What's the point of even having a dog if their muzzled? That pretty much limits their job to drug or bomb sniffing...they can and should be used for so much more than that.
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    It makes no sense at all! It's like in some countries they have to lock their guns in the trunk of their car....hmm....
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    -me scratching my head going what the stink is wrong with people-

    dogs that can't bite. that is all most as wrong as two men humping and one man watching.


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    So my EARLIER post on this subject not enough for you then?
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    please mr. badguy stop doing those bad things or else my dog will headbutt you.


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    This was posted YESTERDAY too!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Trojan 42 View Post
    This was posted YESTERDAY too!
    Don't worry Trojan, you get full credit for posting it first. However, it was in the LEO section. The general public needs to know where their tax dollars, or in this case pounds, are going.

    Apparently my subtle sarcasm wasn't enough for you.

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    Hey, I was a cop. I don't expect to get credit for anything! Just couldn't see the point of two threads discussing the same thing. And You subtle? That'll be the day.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Trojan 42 View Post
    And You subtle? That'll be the day.

    Les is about as subtle as a cho-mo at the Neverland Ranch.

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    My apologies for the re-post! I obviously didn't search the forum well enough before posting!

    Sorry Trojan........ didn't want to steal your thunder!
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    My question is this......What the F**K is next? Are we going to be required to first sing kumbaya (sp) before we go hands on? I mean where does the tying our hands behind our back end? These liberal, pinko, give me more money, lawyers need to stop and look at what they are doing to society. I just can't believe that they don't care at all.

    A dirtbag SOB flees from us in a car, gets into an accident and kills someone and were the cause!!! Give me a freakin break, just because dirtbag doesn't have any money for a law suit shouldn't give you the right to come after us for doing our damn job!

    Sorry rant off. But still mad as hell!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Trojan 42 View Post
    Hey, I was a cop. I don't expect to get credit for anything!
    You get credit for a lot. Like surviving a full tour and being the only cop in the whole U.K. to have a gun.....I think....or something..........

    Hell, your our resident U.K. version of RDS.

    I'll get the first round the next time I cross the pond, but you'll have to travel north a little bit. I think i'm still barred from entering England.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Welpe View Post
    "STOP! Or I'll let the dog have it's way with your leg!"
    Hey that might just work. How fast could they run with a dog humping their leg? Genius! Right, where's the phone number for North Wales Police.
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    The number for north wales police is 0845 607 1002

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    Quote Originally Posted by Standard Dave View Post
    The number for north wales police is 0845 607 1002
    I phoned. They were closed.
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    It must have been Market Day!
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