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    Angry Hello stupid what part of illegal aliens don’t you understand

    Federal lawsuit challenges Pa. city's crackdown on illegal immigrants

    By MICHAEL RUBINKAM
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    ALLENTOWN, Pa., Oct. 30 — Advocates for immigrants sued the city of Hazleton on Monday, seeking to block an ordinance that would impose steep fines on landlords who rent to people living in the country illegally.
    In its lawsuit filed in federal court in Scranton, the American Civil Liberties Union said the ordinance and a companion measure set to take effect Wednesday violate the Constitution because they trample on the federal government's exclusive power to regulate immigration.
    The laws would impose heavy fines on landlords who rent to illegal immigrants, deny business permits to companies that employ them, and require renters to register and purchase a renter's permit at City Hall.
    The plaintiffs — which also include the Hazleton Hispanic Business Association, several illegal immigrants facing eviction, landlords, and a businessman — said they would also seek a federal injunction blocking the laws.
    ''Immigration reform is an important issue, but if every little town like Hazleton across the 50 states makes up their own rules about immigration, we're going to be left with an even bigger mess,'' said Witold J. Walczak, legal director of the ACLU of Pennsylvania.
    Mayor Lou Barletta, who has argued that illegal immigrants have brought an increase in drugs, crime and gangs to the town, disagreed, saying the laws did not regulate immigration, but instead targeted those doing business with illegal immigrants.
    Hazleton's ordinance, which was announced in June, has spurred other towns to pass similar laws. The lawsuit and a similar one brought by the ACLU in Riverside, N.J., are being viewed as test cases, as local officials, frustrated at what they perceive as the federal government's inability to stem illegal immigration, take matters into their own hands.
    Barletta said that he is convinced the courts will uphold the law and that the city has assembled a legal team to defend it.
    ''It's unfortunate that these special interest groups would choose to file a lawsuit against a small city that is struggling to protect itself,'' Barletta said Monday night. ''Hazleton is prepared to fight, and we will take this challenge to the highest court in the United States if that's what it takes to protect our legal citizens and quality of life.''
    The law empowers the city's Code Enforcement Office to investigate written complaints about a person's immigration status, using a federal government database.
    The companion ordinance requires tenants to register their name, address and phone number at City Hall and pay $10 for a rental permit. Landlords who fail to make sure their tenants are registered will face a $1,000 fine, as well as a levy of $250 per tenant, per day. The goal is to discourage illegal immigrants from trying to rent in Hazleton.
    Hazleton, a city of 31,000, is about 80 miles from Philadelphia.
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    Completely stupid. We need to build that wall ASAP.
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    "ACLU" isn't that supposed to mean American Civil Liberties Union ? Shouldn't the Illegal Alien Union be fielding this one?

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    I wonder how fast the ACLU will back out when they realize that the demographic they're defending doesn't pay into their organization. They don't pay income tax (no SS#) and the ones that are supporting a family back in Mexico are sending their money there. And a nasty percentage gets involved with gang activity. I wonder how many members of the ACLU have been victims of gang activity?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ducky View Post

    I wonder how fast the ACLU will back out when they realize that the demographic they're defending doesn't pay into their organization. They don't pay income tax (no SS#) and the ones that are supporting a family back in Mexico are sending their money there.
    The ACLU doesn't care- they frequently advocate for people who aren't productive members of our society.

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    I wonder how many members of the ACLU have been victims of gang activity?
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    Stupid, just stupid. Apparantly once the get across the border, they're safe.
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    ALLENTOWN, Pa. - A federal judge on Tuesday blocked the city of Hazleton from enforcing a pair of ordinances targeting illegal immigrants, just hours before the measures were to go into effect.

    The measures, approved by City Council last month, would have imposed fines on landlords who rent to illegal immigrants and denied business permits to companies that give them jobs. They also would have required tenants to register with City Hall and pay for a rental permit.

    U.S. District Judge James Munley ruled that landlords, tenants and businesses that cater to Hispanics faced "irreparable harm" from the laws and issued a temporary restraining order blocking their enforcement.

    "We find it in the public interest to protect residents' access to homes, education, jobs and businesses," he wrote in a 13-page opinion.

    Hispanic groups and the ACLU sued Hazleton on Monday, contending that the laws trample on the federal government's exclusive power to regulate immigration.

    The plaintiffs include the Hazleton Hispanic Business Association, landlords, a restaurateur and several illegal immigrants facing eviction, including children who attend public schools.

    Mayor Lou Barletta, who spearheaded the crackdown, has argued that illegal immigrants have brought an increase in drugs, crime and gangs to the city. The city's lawyers on Tuesday cited a 10 percent increase in crime between 2004 and 2005 as a reason why the ordinances should be enforced.

    Munley, however, wrote that the city "offers only vague generalizations about the crime allegedly caused by illegal immigrants, but has nothing concrete to back up these claims." The city also failed to provide statistics on the number of illegal immigrants living in Hazleton, he wrote.

    Furthermore, Munley wrote, the plaintiffs have a "reasonable probability" of getting the laws declared unconstitutional.

    Hazleton's crackdown, which was announced in June, has spurred other towns to pass similar laws. Municipal officials view the Hazleton lawsuit and a similar one in Riverside, N.J., as test cases.

    Witold J. Walczak, legal director of the ACLU of Pennsylvania, hailed Tuesday's decision as an important victory.

    "I think what's important is the judge recognized that this ordinance has the potential to cause real harm by costing people their jobs, their houses and requiring children to leave schools," he said.

    The judge's restraining order expires Nov. 14. He indicated that he will schedule a hearing on the ACLU's motion for a temporary injunction.

    Barletta said he is convinced the courts will ultimately uphold the law. He noted his lawyers had only a few hours to prepare for Tuesday's hearing and said he is confident they will "prove our right to defend and protect our citizens."

    "I'm not discouraged. They may have delayed enforcement for now, but this too shall pass," Barletta said Tuesday. "We have only begun to fight."
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    im all for securing our borders, and tougher immigration laws. i say it is not our job to play immigration agents. if our goverment wanted to close the southern border they could of done along time ago. growing up in california if the goverment wanted " real americans " to pick all the fruit and vegatables they would of done it. thanks to senor immigrant a head of lettuce doesnt cost u $ 20.00. like i said it is not our job to be border patrol agents. in my city i have too much to worry about if someone has a green card or not.
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    Once again the liberals have won a stupid ass victory. I just read an article that stated that in the year 2005 45 Billion dollars was wired from the United States back to Latin countries. And its all tax free, but they use our schools, medical, welfare, etc. etc.

    If they would agree to certian terms and pay their share in taxes etc. I would have less issue with it. but since all they do is come here and take take take I just can't agree with it.

    Besides they are called ILLEGAL immigrants for a damn reason!!!
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    Quote Originally Posted by BigDawg3533 View Post
    Once again the liberals have won a stupid ass victory. I just read an article that stated that in the year 2005 45 Billion dollars was wired from the United States back to Latin countries. And its all tax free, but they use our schools, medical, welfare, etc. etc.

    If they would agree to certian terms and pay their share in taxes etc. I would have less issue with it. but since all they do is come here and take take take I just can't agree with it.

    Besides they are called ILLEGAL immigrants for a damn reason!!!
    I too would have less of an issue if they would pay taxes like everyone else.
    And it's sad too, because with all the illegals, the ones that actually go through all the pain, toil, and money to become legal end up getting stereotyped under the "immigrant" status with the illegals....
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    That is true ay, and I know. Ive married a Dominican Lady and we are going through the process so she is legal. But that stereotype will always be on her, I haven't yet fugured out how to explain this to her. We have yet to come to the US, I'm going to wait for all the paperwork to be completed. After all this she will be a productive member of our society, and will probably always be under the umbrella of suspicion.
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    Yeah, I've dealt with enough paperwork to be here legally, so it pisses me off that these guys just swim/wade/jump across the river so they can come here. Had I known I could live here that easily, I would have swam across the body of water separating me from US too (Atlantic ocean is a hell of a swim though)
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    I don't approve of law-breaking, but I can sympathize with the plight of undocumented immigrants. It's like when someone breaks the speed limit to get their critically injured child to a hospital.

    Many undocumented immigrants immigrated because they are desperate to escape the bad conditions they had in their own countries. It's not their fault that they were born in those countries, and it's understandable when they try to leave. Many of them don't have enough money, education, or family ties to get legal immigration documents, which are granted only to unusually talented or wealthy foreigners or people who have family members already in the US. Conservatives often say that Americans should just leave the US if they don't like it. Well what if people from other countries don't like their own countries and like the US better, and therefore want to leave their own countries and live in the US?

    Sure, if they commit crimes, they should be deported, but if they don't hurt anyone, and indeed contribute to the US economy by doing work no one else wants to do, then they're contributing more than some US citizens.

    Most Americans today are descendants of immigrants who came without the permission of the natives (i.e. Native Americans).
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jenna View Post
    Sure, if they commit crimes, they should be deported, but if they don't hurt anyone, and indeed contribute to the US economy by doing work no one else wants to do, then they're contributing more than some US citizens.
    First, they already are committing a crime by being here illegally.

    Second, if millions of illegal aliens wouldn't work for slave wages, the general wage level would go up and people would do it. For those that rather live on welfare than get off their fat, lazy asses and get a job, they should have to meet certain criteria to get welfare. Not being able to work is a lot different than not wanting to work.

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    Most Americans today are descendants of immigrants who came without the permission of the natives (i.e. Native Americans).
    When those people came here, they came here legally. The procedure back then was to show up healthy at Ellis Island and you could become a US citizen. These days, the procedure has changed and they need to follow the procedure of today, not 150 years ago.
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    Quote Originally Posted by KaiGywer View Post
    First, they already are committing a crime by being here illegally.

    Second, if millions of illegal aliens wouldn't work for slave wages, the general wage level would go up and people would do it. For those that rather live on welfare than get off their fat, lazy asses and get a job, they should have to meet certain criteria to get welfare. Not being able to work is a lot different than not wanting to work.
    You're right. There are so many hard working, honest, and not to mention LEGAL people in this country. Is it fair to those people when illegals get money because they are being lazy?

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    Yeah, I've dealt with enough paperwork to be here legally, so it pisses me off that these guys just swim/wade/jump across the river so they can come here. Had I known I could live here that easily, I would have swam across the body of water separating me from US too (Atlantic ocean is a hell of a swim though)
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jenna View Post
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ducky View Post
    I wonder how fast the ACLU will back out when they realize that the demographic they're defending doesn't pay into their organization. They don't pay income tax (no SS#) and the ones that are supporting a family back in Mexico are sending their money there. And a nasty percentage gets involved with gang activity. I wonder how many members of the ACLU have been victims of gang activity?
    Very true, Ducky.




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    OK, Jenna, You don't mind illegal aliens in the US because they (according to you)

    a) Aren't criminals
    b) Don't hurt anyone
    c) Contribute to the US economy

    I beg to differ on this one.

    a) By definition they are criminals just by being here illegally. In fact, many aliens cannot legally obtain status here because of criminal records in their home country.

    b)They don't hurt anyone. Tell that to the families of US citizens in need of government assistance due to legitimate disabilities, who can't collect aide because the budget has been used up due to fraudulent abuse of the system by illegal aliens living off our tax money. Tell that to the US Citizens waiting in the emergency rooms along the border cities, where they are waiting for care while the doctors and nurses are flooded by alien patients, who by the way don't have health insurance (BTW, guess who pays that bill?). Tell that to the parents of kids whose classrooms are over flowing with kids who are living here illegally, while US Citizens suffer in education because of that.

    In addition, many come here looking for work and cannot find legitimate employment so they turn to crime in order to make money. Robberies, B&Es vehicle theft, etc.

    c) Help the economy? How? By working below minimum wage, not paying taxes, and then sending their paychecks back home?

    I think not.

    What say you?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ronin Warrior View Post
    OK, Jenna, You don't mind illegal aliens in the US because they (according to you)

    a) Aren't criminals
    b) Don't hurt anyone
    c) Contribute to the US economy

    I beg to differ on this one.

    a) By definition they are criminals just by being here illegally. In fact, many aliens cannot legally obtain status here because of criminal records in their home country.

    b)They don't hurt anyone. Tell that to the families of US citizens in need of government assistance due to legitimate disabilities, who can't collect aide because the budget has been used up due to fraudulent abuse of the system by illegal aliens living off our tax money. Tell that to the US Citizens waiting in the emergency rooms along the border cities, where they are waiting for care while the doctors and nurses are flooded by alien patients, who by the way don't have health insurance (BTW, guess who pays that bill?). Tell that to the parents of kids whose classrooms are over flowing with kids who are living here illegally, while US Citizens suffer in education because of that.

    In addition, many come here looking for work and cannot find legitimate employment so they turn to crime in order to make money. Robberies, B&Es vehicle theft, etc.

    c) Help the economy? How? By working below minimum wage, not paying taxes, and then sending their paychecks back home?

    I think not.

    What say you?



    Thankyou I couldn't have said it better.


    Back to the article, why is it ok to restrict where child molesters or another criminal can live, but not an Illegal Alien?? I feel that everyone who is wanting to rent or buy a home should have to have a background check done. If they have an outstanding warrant, or are illegal then they cant rent or buy a home. Also if they have been convicted of certain crimes then there are some places they cant live.

    Now I know that Jenna will say that then that will cause all kinds of homeless people, maybe it will. But I also think it will cause alot of Illegal aliens to go back home instead of living on the streets. And the ones that have a warrent on them, once they have it taken care of, they are elligible for renting, its not rocket science.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ronin Warrior View Post
    OK, Jenna, You don't mind illegal aliens in the US because they (according to you)

    a) Aren't criminals
    b) Don't hurt anyone
    c) Contribute to the US economy

    I beg to differ on this one.

    a) By definition they are criminals just by being here illegally. In fact, many aliens cannot legally obtain status here because of criminal records in their home country.

    b)They don't hurt anyone. Tell that to the families of US citizens in need of government assistance due to legitimate disabilities, who can't collect aide because the budget has been used up due to fraudulent abuse of the system by illegal aliens living off our tax money. Tell that to the US Citizens waiting in the emergency rooms along the border cities, where they are waiting for care while the doctors and nurses are flooded by alien patients, who by the way don't have health insurance (BTW, guess who pays that bill?). Tell that to the parents of kids whose classrooms are over flowing with kids who are living here illegally, while US Citizens suffer in education because of that.

    In addition, many come here looking for work and cannot find legitimate employment so they turn to crime in order to make money. Robberies, B&Es vehicle theft, etc.

    c) Help the economy? How? By working below minimum wage, not paying taxes, and then sending their paychecks back home?

    I think not.

    What say you?
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