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    This shit makes my blood boil...

    FUCKING COWARDS!

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    AWOL soldier disappears again after surrendering
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    Created: 11/1/2006 7:50 PM MST - Updated: 11/1/2006 7:50 PM MST


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    LOUISVILLE, Ky. (AP) - A U.S. Army soldier who fled to Canada rather than return to Iraq has gone AWOL again, this time just a day after surrendering to the military.


    Kyle Snyder, 23, of Colorado Springs, was supposed to return to Fort Leonard Wood, Mo., by bus from Louisville but did not go. Snyder told The Associated Press that he went AWOL on Tuesday after being dropped off at the Greyhound Bus station in downtown Louisville.

    That came just hours after the military told him he would return to his unit rather than face a quick discharge.

    "I realized this deal was going to go bad," Snyder said Wednesday evening.

    Snyder, a former combat engineer, left the United States in April 2005 while on leave to avoid a second deployment to Iraq. Snyder returned to the United States on Saturday, saying he reached a deal to receive an other-than-honorable discharge.

    Snyder's attorney, James Fennerty of Chicago, said a deal had been reached for Snyder to surrender and then be discharged within a few days.

    Shortly after surrendering Tuesday afternoon, Fort Knox officials said Snyder's unit, the 94th Engineer Battalion, was stateside, so he would be returned there and his commanders would determine his future, Snyder said.

    "I came back in good faith," Snyder said. "I put my trust in them one more time. Why should I put my trust in them again when I can just go back to Canada?"

    Fennerty, who negotiated the discharge of another war deserter earlier this month, said he received a phone call from Snyder, saying the military planned to return him to his unit.

    Fennerty said the deal reached with the Army would have spared Snyder a court-martial.

    Fennerty said he spent much of Wednesday trying to reach someone at Fort Leonard Wood to determine Snyder's status.

    "I've been on the phone all day," Fennerty said. "I don't know what's going on."

    Calls to Fort Leonard Wood spokesman Mike Alley were not immediately returned Wednesday evening.

    Gini Sinclair, a Fort Knox spokeswoman, could not be reached for comment Wednesday evening. Previously, Sinclair said deserters whose units are deployed overseas are generally brought back to Fort Knox or Fort Sill, Okla., and assigned to a special processing company. The Army then opens an investigation into the desertion.

    She said deserters whose units are not fully deployed are returned to their original unit.

    Snyder was with Gerry Condon, an anti-war activist who refused to fight in Vietnam. They did not disclose their location. Condon said he hopes the deal fell through because of miscommunication within the military.

    "Perhaps the left hand doesn't know what the right hand is doing," Condon said. "Because of either ineptitude or bad faith, he's back on AWOL status."

    Snyder said he began to turn against the war when he saw an innocent Iraqi man seriously wounded by American gunfire. He said the shooting was not properly investigated.

    Snyder is the second Iraq war veteran to return to Kentucky after fleeing to Canada.

    Darrell Anderson, 24, of Lexington, surrendered at Fort Knox on Oct. 3. Anderson was held for three days while his case was processed, then released with an other-than-honorable discharge. Fennerty was Anderson's attorney.

    Snyder fled to Canada in April 2005 while on leave from the Army and applied for refugee status. He said he worked as a welder and at a children's health clinic while there but was also outspoken about the war, calling it "illegal and immoral."
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    I never went AWOL.
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    What an idiot! With the US having a voluntary military, why the hell do these guys sign up in the first place?
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    The nice thing is that he will eventually come back and he'll get popped at the border. Happens all the time.

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    Quote Originally Posted by KaiGywer View Post
    What an idiot! With the US having a voluntary military, why the hell do these guys sign up in the first place?
    He was interviewed on Irish radio a few months ago. He said he signed up to defend his nation from attack but not too invade another nation. He stated that he refused to go back as after being there he realised that the war was wrong and that the Iraqi people didnt want an American military presence.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Garda View Post
    He was interviewed on Irish radio a few months ago. He said he signed up to defend his nation from attack but not too invade another nation. He stated that he refused to go back as after being there he realised that the war was wrong and that the Iraqi people didnt want an American military presence.
    Guess what, while the US is a democracy (labeled one, anyways), the military AIN'T. You sign up and you have a committment. If you don't like it, finish out your tour and leave with honor. To do anything else is to spit on those who've spilt blood before you.
    "If anything worthwhile comes of this tragedy, it should be the realization by every citizen that often the only thing that stands between them and losing everything they hold dear... is the man wearing a badge." -- Ronald Reagan, in the wake of the deaths of 4 CHP troopers in the Newhall Incident, 1970

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    He should be shot.

    I weant UA once. I was denied permission to go to my room mates funeral after he had died in an auto accident in St. Louis on one of our weekends. Well, on Friday after work, I tossed my Dress Blues and an over night bag in my car and left. I returned Monday night, and reported in to the Officer of the Day that I was returning from being UA. I got a slap on the wrist and 5 days restriction ot the barracks.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Garda View Post
    He was interviewed on Irish radio a few months ago. He said he signed up to defend his nation from attack but not too invade another nation. He stated that he refused to go back as after being there he realised that the war was wrong and that the Iraqi people didnt want an American military presence.
    Hello?! How stupid is he? Chances are that the US, being the largest military power in the world, would go into an armed conflict/war against another nation. If he didn't want to do that, he shouldn't have signed up. I think he just wanted the monetary bonuses and status (pride) that comes with being a soldier. Well, this dude obviously misunderstood why people give military personell a higher status in society...
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    Quote Originally Posted by 121Traffic View Post
    Guess what, while the US is a democracy (labeled one, anyways), the military AIN'T. You sign up and you have a committment. If you don't like it, finish out your tour and leave with honor. To do anything else is to spit on those who've spilt blood before you.
    Nicely spoken.
    Thats why I never enlisted. I didnt have the balls or courage to do what these kids are doing..
    I just decided to be a cop, less danger...
    G-d bless the TROOPS. Not this kid...
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    I snuck out in basic training one time and made it out of the base and ate some good ass sizzler steak. No one ever knew!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tony View Post
    I snuck out in basic training one time and made it out of the base and ate some good ass sizzler steak. No one ever knew!
    Tsk tsk. Naughty boy!

    As for the AWOL soldier...he's a major POS and someone needs to slap him around a few times....then take him out back and shoot his ass.
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    He signed the documents, he is now owned by the U.S. military. He did not hold up his end of the deal. I don't care about his beliefs, hopefully when he is caught again he will be dealt with accordingly.

    Don't sign the shit if you aren't ready to act on it!

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    definitely.

    I was going to enlist a while ago, but decided not to for this reason.
    Didn't want to fight a war I didn't understand and agree with, didn't want to make a committment I wouldnt enjoy holding up, and sure as hell wouldnt just agree to go and not live up to it...

    when you sign those papers, you have to be damn sure that you wont change your mind within the next four years or whatever.
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    "when you sign those papers, you have to be damn sure that you wont change your mind within the next four years or whatever."

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    I was proud to serve my country in the Army, and served in many different countries helping them in many different ways.

    This POS needs to be pistol whipped and ordered to stand guard over the graves at a Military Cemetary somewhere remote. In a section not visited by civilians, while wearing a sign that says he is a deserter and has dishonored the men and women laying here who gave their lives serving this great nation.

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    I dunno guys, while I agree with whats being said I also think a person has a responsibility to stand up for what they believe in above 'following orders'.

    He finished 1 tour, I dont know if he could have walked at that stage or what his contract was but we have to remember that Ali refused to go to Vietnam for personal beliefs and also that many Germans tried to use the 'just following orders' excuse to explain killing and torturing civilians, Jews and POW's.

    Im not saying that the US in Iraq is the same thing just that we also have a responsibility to do what we believe is the right thing.
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    Garda, in the case of compulsory military, I can see your point. The thing though, he KNEW what he signed up for. He knew he might go to war. If he didn't agree with that, he shouldn't have signed up in the first place.
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    You know what makes me sick, is that my country lets these pieces of shit in. I don't want these cowards coming to seek refuge in my country, our govt should be booting there asses back as fast they can. I don't understand these guys, they VOLUNTEER in a time of war and then suddenly "I don't wanna go" Well to damn bad, you signed the papers, you know what if you dont wanna go thats fine, Leavenworth has some nice 8by 10 rooms available for a steal of deal. Schmucks!!
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