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    Northumberland officer killed



    A police officer was killed when his patrol car crashed as he transferred a prisoner in Northumberland.

    PC Joe Carroll, 46, had been with the force for more than 24 years.

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    The officer received his long service and good conduct medal last year...

    Such a tragedy that his life is lost a year later...

    It will be interesting to find out exactly what has happened...and how it could have been prevented..

    I have a few ideas and predictions...but it's too early to voice them...

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    yep, really sounds horrible for his family and the community he worked and lived in. Sounds like he was doing his job as we all do everyday.

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    It seems this is now a murder inquiry.



    A book of condolence has been opened in memory of a policeman killed when his patrol car veered off the road as he transported a suspect to the cells.

    Pc Joe Carroll, 46, and a colleague were escorting a man they had arrested on Thursday morning when the car left the A69 near Corbridge, Northumberland.

    A 40-year-old man continues to be questioned on suspicion of murder.

    PC Carroll was the beat bobby in the village of Bellingham, where colleagues have opened a book of condolence.

    He had been the community officer there for 13 years and had been a police officer for almost 25 years.

    The first to sign the book was his friend Inspector Kerr Hardy.

    The officer wrote: "A true and loyal rural community police officer, well respected by family, friends and the community."

    On Thursday, Northumbria Chief Constable Mike Craik paid an emotional tribute to a "real old-fashioned copper".

    He said: "He was the sort of local bobby that all of you would want as your local cop."

    Pc Carroll was married to Caroline, a teacher, and they lived near Bellingham.

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    I thought murder might be a push.

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    RIP...

    Yeah, I guess it's too early for them to say how it happened. Do they have cages? Dallas police cars only recently got cages, and a large portion of the funding came from private donations.

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    No, our cars don't have cages. The how is that he made a grab for the wheel, according to the papers.

    It's manslaughter rather than murder because you'd be hard pushed to show an intention to kill or cause serious harm, so you go for manslaughter instead.

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    I think the only grace in this case, is the fact that the offender is a serving Sergeant in the ARMY.

    So once he has been released from civilian prison, he'll be sentenced at a court martial and then spend a much longer and much touger time in Colchester Military Correction House!
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    That's a real shame - I thought all police cars that transported prisoners had cages (until I heard about Dallas). Seems like such a simple measure to take, and I can't imagine why a police car wouldn't just automatically come equipped with them.

    Sounds like murder to me, since grabbing the wheel had a foreseeable outcome.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TXCharlie
    That's a real shame - I thought all police cars that transported prisoners had cages (until I heard about Dallas). Seems like such a simple measure to take, and I can't imagine why a police car wouldn't just automatically come equipped with them.

    Sadly it probably comes down to money, the cage costs money and limits to some extent the uses of the vehicle

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    Quote Originally Posted by TXCharlie
    Sounds like murder to me, since grabbing the wheel had a foreseeable outcome.
    Unfortunately, the fact that it's foreseeable does not mean it was intended, in law anyway. You'd probably have a tough time proving that he intended to kill or cause serious harm to someone. Manslaughter only requires an unlawful and dangerous act (assaulting a police officer in a car is both unlawful and dangerous) or gross negligence (which grabbing the wheel of a moving car is) which results in death. Easier to prove and the maximum sentence is the same.

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    That's true, I guess it would be very difficult to prove that he killed the officer trying to escape (the analogy I was thinking of was accidentally killing someone in the course of a robbery).

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    Ah...we don't have the felony murder rule here any more. You have to have intent to kill or cause serious harm for a murder charge.

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    City at standstill for PC funeral

    Police officers formed a guard of honour as a city centre was brought to a standstill for the funeral of a colleague who died in a crash.

    PC Joe Carroll, 46, originally from West Yorkshire, died when his car left the A69 in Northumberland on 13 April.

    Hundreds of police officers attended the service on Wednesday at Cathedral Church of St Mary, in Newcastle.

    Steven Graham, 39, a staff sergeant at Sandhurst Military Academy, is accused of PC Carroll's manslaughter.

    He was remanded in custody when he appeared before magistrates in Northumberland last week.

    Shoppers and office workers stood in silence as the coffin was piped into the cathedral, followed by PC Carroll's widow, Caroline, 46, family members and friends.

    Hundreds of police had already arrived at the cathedral, including Insp Brian English, who was injured in the incident and remains on sick leave.

    The procession left for the 33-mile trip from PC Carroll's home near Bellingham, where he was a beat bobby for 13 years, flanked by police motorcycle outriders.

    On the final few hundred yards, four police horses escorted the hearse to the cathedral.

    Emotional day

    Father Harry O'Reilly, who presided over the marriage of PC Carroll and his wife 21 years ago, conducted the service.

    He paid tribute to the friend he had known for almost 28 years and said the tributes already paid showed how much he was loved. He said the officer's life was "a work of art".

    Father O'Reilly added: "The masterpiece will only happen when Caroline and... the rest of us join him in heaven.

    "Joe has got an early bus, but the rest of us are sure to follow."

    Northumbria Police Chief Constable Mike Craik read a passage from Corinthians at the request of Mrs Carroll.

    Afterwards, he said it had been an emotional and difficult day.

    He said: "Joe's death reminds us of the fragility of life.

    "He was a happy man, always with a smile on his face.

    "It shone from him and was what made Joe special."

    After the Mass, a guard of honour of 60 officers lined the street outside the cathedral, and lowered their heads as the hearse passed them.

    PC Carroll joined the North Yorkshire force for two years before moving to Northumbria Police in 1984.

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