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    Former McCain staffer says America is a Center-Left Nation

    As ThinkProgress has chronicled, conservative pundits and even some traditional journalists continue to insist that America remains a center-right nation. Today in a Washington Post op-ed, Hoover Institution fellow and former informal adviser to the McCain campaign Tod Lindenberg rebuts this myth:
    Here’s the stark reality: It is now harder for the Republican presidential candidate to get to 50.1 percent than for the Democrat. My Hoover Institution colleague David Brady and Douglas Rivers of the research firm YouGovPolimetrix have been analyzing data from online interviews with 12,000 people in both 2004 and 2008. It shows an overall shift to the Democrats of six percentage points. As they write in the forthcoming edition of Policy Review, “The decline of Republican strength occurs by having strong Republicans become weak Republicans, weak Republicans becoming independents, and independents leaning more Democratic or even becoming Democrats.” This is a portrait of an electorate moving from center-right to center-left.
    Lindberg acknowledges that “the percentage of voters describing themselves as ‘liberal’ and ‘conservative’ has held relatively constant over many election cycles.” However, he notes that “the views behind those labels” have shifted to be more liberal.

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    This year it's center-left. Just like 4 years ago it was center-right.

    People are fickle.
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    The author is full of shit.

    Election results have demonstrated the United States is a center-right country for decades.

    The fact is, the conservatives sat this last one out.
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    Quote Originally Posted by maclean View Post
    The author is full of shit.

    Election results have demonstrated the United States is a center-right country for decades.

    The fact is, the conservatives sat this last one out.
    You keep saying that MacLean, and yet there was an extraordinary turnout.

    And what does that say about conservatives? That they can't bother to vote? That they care more about their own agenda then what their nation needs? I think reiterating "they stayed home, and didn't vote" reduces their credibility.

    What is it that everyone keeps saying? If you didn't vote, you don't have a right to complain?
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    Today in a Washington Post op-ed, Hoover Institution fellow and former informal adviser to the McCain campaign Tod Lindenberg rebuts this myth:
    The only thing I want to hear from an "informal advisor of the McCain campaign" 2008, is that he will never again advise a Republican candidate campaigning for president...

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    Quote Originally Posted by PDawg View Post
    You keep saying that MacLean, and yet there was an extraordinary turnout.
    Wrong.

    Politico.com -

    Despite widespread predictions of record turnout in this year’s presidential election, roughly the same portion of eligible voters cast ballots in 2008 as in 2004.

    Between 60.7 percent and 61.7 percent of the 208.3 million eligible voters cast ballots this year, compared with 60.6 percent of those eligible in 2004, according to a voting analysis by American University political scientist Curtis Gans, an authority on voter turnout.

    He estimated that between 126.5 million and 128.5 million eligible voters cast ballots this year, versus 122.3 million four years ago. Gans said the gross number of ballots cast in 2008 was the highest ever, even though the percentage was not substantially different from 2004, because there were about 6.5 million more people registered to vote this time around.
    Pdawg:

    And what does that say about conservatives? That they can't bother to vote? That they care more about their own agenda then what their nation needs? I think reiterating "they stayed home, and didn't vote" reduces their credibility.
    Wrong again. That says that a substantial number of conservatives did not vote. That says that many (around 10,000,000) Republicans did not feel strongly enough about the candidate choice to motivate them to vote. This can generally happen when neither candidate closely represents the views of a segment of voters. Their "agenda", (as you put it), as voters translates to the beliefs that they hold as applied to government. When none of the choices available to them has a record or platform of representing those beliefs, people of those beliefs will not vote. The "lesser of two evils" motivation only goes so far, in that if you view both viable candidates as equivalent evils, it no longer matters who wins.

    What is it that everyone keeps saying? If you didn't vote, you don't have a right to complain?
    I don't see non-voting conservatives complaining. The original article, (by the 'informal advisor' of the losing candidate in the 2008 elections claims that America has generally migrated to a 'left-of-center' position in voting sentiment.

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    The Republicans have been trying to out Democrat the Democrats and they'll never win that race. McCain is a center-left politician and he isn't going to beat a liberal Democrat in that demographic.
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    Maybe Republicans will realize, unlike "former McCain staffers", that simply being the Republican candidate doesn't mean conservatives will support you. Republican and Conservative are two different, often aligned, but not exchangeable terms.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rhino View Post
    This year it's center-left. Just like 4 years ago it was center-right.

    People are fickle.
    +1

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    Quote Originally Posted by PDawg View Post
    You keep saying that MacLean, and yet there was an extraordinary turnout.
    2004 Elections = 122.2 Million voters

    They called that an "extraordinary turnout" as well, then.

    Since we don't have the actual numbers yet, and it is only projected at 125.04 million, I am not convinced by the constant media chant that this was something special.

    Oops, never mind I see countybear has already corrected your oversight.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rhino View Post
    This year it's center-left. Just like 4 years ago it was center-right.

    People are fickle.
    People are indeed fickle, however I will respectfully disagree on one point:

    I believe that the political alignment of the parties' candidates in this election had changed much more than the general alignment of the electorate.

    Obama was far left, pretending to be moderate left; many voted for him on the belief that they had to compromise on particular conservative issues in order to achieve the greater good.

    McCain was moderate left, pretending to be far right; many voted for him on the belief that he was the lesser of evils, and many didn't vote because no viable, clear right-wing candidate choice was offered.

    Either way, the "right" wasn't clearly represented in this race.

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