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    Clear Justification for Iraq War, Part 1 and 2

    This will be a two part post. It relates a clear and compiled list of justifications for military action in Iraq. This was done by a very little known news blogger, and what perhaps is most remarkable is that none of the larger media outlets seemingly had the interest, the fortitude, or the inclination to compile as compelling a list of justifications for military action in Iraq. I have taken the liberty of allowing the contained hyperlinks to remain, since each appears to support, through thoroughly researched documentation, every element of claim made. I am still in the process of investigating all of the links, but I have seen enough validity at this point to post this thread, and invite all interested to explore this topic with me.

    The story is entitled, "The Invasion of Iraq: Still the Right Thing To Do". This initiating post will cover part 1, the next post will cover part 2.

    Here's part 1:

    The Invasion of Iraq: Still The Right Thing To Do

    January 24, 2008 - 11:04 ET


    // Updated August 26, 2008 //

    Have you seen that the "Bush Lied" talking point is now "officially confirmed" by a "study"? The problem is, this study does not make the Cyclosarin, Mustard Gas, Sarin, Tabun, VX gas, and (tons of) Uranium go away. And the UN has even admited that the "old" WMD found was not degraded.

    As if the WMD wasn't enough, there were plenty of other reasons to overthrow Saddam.

    Saddam Hussein used Chemical weapon against the Iranians, Kurds, and Marsh Arabs;
    attacked 6 nations (Iran, Kuwait, Saudi Arabia, Israel, Qatar, and Bahrain); violated the terms of the Gulf War surrender, planned the assasination of a former U.S. President, collaborated with and harbored terrorists; and was – according to The New York Times - one year away from building and Atomic Bomb before he was finally
    overthrown.

    Hat Tip to Chris Donohoe, Sua Sponte 75, NL207, dahliatravers, Mean Gene Dr. Love, and SFCMAC for some descriptions/links.


    I. Saddam was known to have WMD and used it in at least 3 separate situations.
    1. Chemical weapons used against Iran: BBC - Chemical weapons: Blister agents
    2. Chemical weapons used against Kurds: BBC - Iraqi Kurds recall chemical attack
    3. Chemical weapons used against Sunnis: Human Rights Watch - The Iraqi Government Assault on the Marsh Arabs
    4. President Clinton, Madeline Albright, Sandy Berger, and others also thought Saddam had WMD: SNOPES - See these Statements & see Acsa.net too
    5. Nancy Pelosi issued a statement: www.House.gov - “Saddam Hussein has been engaged in the development of weapons of mass destruction technology
    II. There is a long list of WMD found in Iraq
    1. Ah ha! The UN says the WMD was NOT degraded See Page 30: United Nations - UN document S/2003/580 of 30 May 2003
    2. Anthrax: CNN - Laurie Mylroie: Is Iraq involved with U.S. terror attacks?
    3. Chemical Weapons: Foxnews - Report: Hundreds of WMDs Found in Iraq
    4. Chemical Weapons: DoD - Munitions Found in Iraq Meet WMD Criteria, Official Says
    5. Chemical Weapons: Washington Post - Iraqi Chemical Stash Uncovered
    6. Cyanide: Free Republic - Request For 500 KG Of SODIUM CYANIDE A Precursor For A Chemical Weapon (Translation)
    7. Cyclosarin: BBC - Troops 'foil Iraq nerve gas bid'
    8. Mobile Chem Labs: CNN - U.S.: Mobile labs found in Iraq
    9. Mobile Chem Labs: CNN - Second suspected mobile weapons lab found in Iraq
    10. Mobile Chem Labs: Free Republic - Plan To Produce Mobile Laboratories (Translation)
    11. Mustard Gas, Sarin, and Tabun: United NationsUnresolved Disarmament Issues
    12. Mustard Gas, Sarin, and Tabun: Free Republic - 2003 UN Report: Iraq Sulfur Mustard Gas Chemical Weapons Have High Quality After 12 years of Storage
    13. Mustard Gas, and Sarin: Foxnews - Sarin, Mustard Gas Discovered Separately in Iraq
    14. Mustard Gas, and Sarin: CNN - Gas shell findings a concern for Iraq arms inspector
    15. Nuclear Bomb: CNN - Defector: Iraq could have nukes by 2005
    16. Nuclear Bomb: Daily Telegraph - UN inspectors uncover proof of Saddam's nuclear bomb plans
    17. Nuclear Bomb: National Review - Shocker: New York Times Confirms Iraqi Nuclear Weapons Program
    18. Nuclear Bomb:New York TimesSaddam was 1 year away from building nuclear bomb
    19. Nuclear Bomb: Free Republic - Saddam Met with his Nuclear Group in 2002 (Translation)
    20. Nuclear Bomb: Free Republic - Secret Nuclear Project (Translation)
    21. Nuclear Bomb: MSNBC - Interview with a Bombmaker: Saddam Hussein’s former atomic-bomb developer says Iraq is on course to gain ‘full nuclear status’
    22. Radiation Device: Free Republic - Highly Radioactive Atomic Neutron Device (Translation)
    23. Sarin: MSNBC - Bomb said to hold deadly sarin gas explodes in Iraq
    24. Sarin: CBS News - Iraq Sarin Find Worries U.S.
    25. Unexamined Bunkers: NY Sun - Ex-Officer Spurned on WMD Claim
    26. Uranium: Newsmax - The Uranium Joe Wilson Didn't Mention
    27. Uranium: Newsmax - Tapes: Saddam Hussein Had Secret Uranium Enrichment Program
    28. Uranium: Free Republic - Procurement of 50000 Aluminum Tubes That Can Be Used For URANIUM ENRICHMENT.
    29. Uranium: Washington Post - U.S. Faulted for Leaving Tons of Uranium in Iraq
    30. Uranium: USA Today - U.S. transferred uranium from Iraq without U.N. authorization
    31. Various WMD: WorldNet Daily - Saddam's WMD have been found
    32. Various WMD: CIA - DCI Special Advisor Report on Iraq's WMD
    33. VX Gas: WorldwideStandard.com - VX gas
    34. NEW! WMD moved to Syria: Book - Saddam's Secrets
    35. WMD moved out of Iraq: MSNBC - Officials: Terrorist attacks in Jordan averted
    36. WMD moved out of Iraq: WorldNet Daily - New evidence: Saddam's WMD in Lebanon
    37. WMD moved out of Iraq: NY Sun - Iraq's WMD Secreted in Syria, Sada Says
    38. WMD moved out of Iraq: The Sunday Telegraph - Saddam's WMD hidden in Syria, says Iraq survey chief
    39. WMD moved out of Iraq: Newsmax - Iraqi General: Syria Gave Al-Qaida Saddam's WMDs WMD hidden in Syria
    40. WMD moved out of Iraq: WorldNet Daily - Surprise, surprise! Saddam had WMDs after all
    41. WMD moved out of Iraq: WorldNet Daily - Saddam general: WMDs in Syria
    42. WMD moved out of Iraq: Free Republic - Document: Iraqi Dissident Talks About WMD Moved to Syria (Translation)
    43. Chemical Material: Free Republic - Chemical Material Hidden Underground (Translation)
    44. Chemical Platoon: Free Republic - Saddam Regime Document Dated 2001 Shows Chemical Platoon Still Exists And Active (Translation)
    45. Chemical Suits/Gear: CNN - UK: Chemical suits found in Iraq
    46. Chemical Suits/Gear: Free Republic - Chemical Gear for The Chemical Group (Translation)

    "The American Republic will endure until the day Congress discovers that it can bribe the public with the public's money."
    - Alexis de Tocqueville, Democracy in America

    Tell me not, Sweet, I am unkind,
    That from the nunnery
    Of thy chaste breast and quiet mind
    To war and arms I fly.
    - Lovelace

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    ... and Part 2:

    III. Banned Weapons
    1. MiGs, a banned weapon: BBC - Iraqi aircraft 'buried in desert'
    2. Missiles, a banned weapon: Foxnews - U.S. Army Finds Buried Ammunition Cache in Iraq
    3. Missles, a banned weapon: Slate - This Was Not Looting
    IV. Saddam Hussein had a History of Aggression, attacking 6 other nations.
    1. Attacked Iran launching the Iran-Iraq War: Bartleby.com - Iran-Iraq War
    2. Attacked Kuwait launching Gulf War: Nti.org - Missile Chronology (Note, #3-5 same link)
    3. Attacked Saudi Arabia (Gulf War): (see #2)
    4. Attacked Israel (Gulf War): (see #2)
    5. Attacked Qatar (Gulf War): (see #2)
    6. Attacked Bahrain (Gulf War): CNN - Text Of Clinton Statement On Iraq
    V. Terrorists have been found in Iraq & there were numerous associations between Iraq & terrorists
    1. Abu Niddal, Rome Airport Massacre: National Review - Dead Terrorist in Baghdad
    2. Abu Abbas (#1): CNN - U.S. captures mastermind of Achille Lauro hijacking
    3. Abu Abbas (#2): BBC - Cruise ship hijacker dies in Iraq
    4. Ayman al-Zawahiri: CNN - Pentagon: Bin Laden deputy complains about money, Iraq tactics
    5. al-Zarqawi: Kaleejtimes.com (running an AP story) - Saddam refused to hand Zarqawi to Jordan: King Abdullah
    6. al-Zarqawi: Free Republic - Zarqawi in Iraq Long Before the War Started
    7. Saddam had contacts with Al Qaida: Slate - A Loser's History
    8. Saddam had contacts with Al Qaeda: Weekley Standard - Saddam's al Qaeda Connection
    9. Saddam had contacts with Al Qaeda: Weekley Standard - Case Closed
    10. Saddam had contacts with Al Qaeda: Weekley Standard - Yes, There Is a Connection
    11. Saddam worked with Terrorists: NY Sun - Saddam, Al Qaeda Did Collaborate, Documents Show
    12. Saddam worked with Terrorists: CNN - On tape, Hussein talks of WMDs
    13. Saddam worked with Terrorists: Free Republic - Saddam Regime Document: Iraqi Intelligence met with Bin Laden in 1995 (Translation)
    14. Saddam recruiting Terrorists: Free Republic - Saddam Regime Recruits Suicide Terrorists to Hit US Interests (Translation)
    15. Saddam worked with Terrorists: Free Republic - Saddam Ordered To Treat The Arab Feedayeen Terrorists The Same As Iraqi Soldiers
    16. Saddam worked with Terrorists: Free Republic - Iraqi Intelligence To Train Arab Feedayeen Terrorists In the Year 2000 (Translation)
    17. Saddam worked with Terrorists: Free Republic - Saddam Regime Training and Using Foreign Arab Terrorists As Suicide Bombers. (Translation)
    18. Saddam worked with Terrorists: Free Republic - Afghani Taliban Consul Spoke of a Relationship Between Iraq and Bin Laden
    19. Saddam paid Terrorists: Free Republic - Saddam Ordered 25,000 Dollars for Each Suicide Terrorist Against Israel
    20. Saddam recruited Terrorists: Free Republic - Iraqi Intelligence Asks Hamas To Conduct Terrorist Attacks Against The US
    21. Terrorist camp in Iraq: Foxnews - Marines Discover Terror Training Camp Near Baghdad
    22. Terrorist camp in Iraq: Weekly Standard Saddam's Terror Training Camps
    23. Terrorist camp in Iraq: MSNBC - Positive test for terror toxins in Iraq
    24. Terrorist camp in Iraq: PBS Interview: Sabah Kodah
    25. Terrorist camp in Iraq: GlobalSecurity.org - Salman Pak / Al Salman
    26. Terrorist camp in Iraq: Guardian - Al-Qaida running new terror camp, say Kurds
    27. Terrorist camp in Iraq: Intelmessages.org - Salman Pak - Iraq's Own Terrorist Training Camp
    VI. Violation of Gulf War Surrender Terms
    1. Radar tracking & SA missiles fired upon "No Fly Zone" Aircraft: Cdi.org - Military Action in Iraq: 1990-2002 (a violation of Gulf War surrender terms)
    VII. Other Casus Belli
    1. Assassination attempt on former President George Bush, Sr.: Washington Post - U.S. Strikes Iraq for Plot to Kill Bush
    Finally, we have this insightful quote from The Russian business weekly Itogi: "Even if Colin Powell had presented the UN with an atomic bomb confiscated from Saddam, the Europeans would have been unlikely to agree to start a war."

    "The American Republic will endure until the day Congress discovers that it can bribe the public with the public's money."
    - Alexis de Tocqueville, Democracy in America

    Tell me not, Sweet, I am unkind,
    That from the nunnery
    Of thy chaste breast and quiet mind
    To war and arms I fly.
    - Lovelace

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    Look, almost no one likes to go to war, suffer death and destruction...etc. The fact that the far left is denying this war was justified is a level of ignorance I cannot comprehend.

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    The left seems to have an accurate read on the public concept of history:
    1) it is only true if it comes from the mouths of experts - Oprah, Jerry Springer, Robert Redford, Sylvester Stallone, Martha Stewart.....
    2) if it's on TV it must be true (conditioning ala Pavlov)
    3) History is a low priority in school, right down there with Geography. Both are fact based. They are difficult, but possible to revise. Revision requires burning a lot of books, burning whole libararies siimplify the task.

    History is OK when writtten and defined by the left, and then to justify the Marxist theory of class-warfare.

    Bread and Circuses anyone?

    The left is always aware. They ignore it or lie about it. They have no concept of truth except as they define truth. Lies are part of the package...anyone remember Bill Clinton?
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    Great news. Where was it when it was relevant?
    Do not war for peace. If you must war, war for justice. For without justice there is no peace. -me

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    Quote Originally Posted by lewisipso View Post
    Great news. Where was it when it was relevant?
    Kept quiet by the liberal media so they could form your opinion for you, to fit there agenda.

 

 

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