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    LA sending deputies for Inauguration

    http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/lano...a-cross-c.html


    Cost of sending more than 300 L.A. deputies to Obama inauguration raises ire
    1:21 PM, December 9, 2008
    What's a cross-country plane trip to help out a friend?

    If you're the Los Angeles County Sheriff's Department, county officials said today, it's an estimated $1.6-million proposition. Police in Washington have asked for more than 340 L.A. County sheriff's deputies to make the trip East to assist them during next month's inauguration of President-elect Barack Obama.

    The plan to send deputies has irritated Los Angeles County supervisors, who have questioned why the police in D.C. haven't turned to departments closer to home. They are also raising concerns about exactly how much of the out-of-pocket expenses and salary will be reimbursed. A report presented today at the Board of Supervisors meeting estimated that only about $630,000 of the cost would be recouped.

    "The L.A. County taxpayers never voted on donating $1 million in police to the president-elect’s inauguration,” said Joel Bellman, spokesman for Supervisor Zev Yarovslavsky.

    Sheriff's Department spokesman Steve Whitmore said today that although D.C. police have requested hundreds of deputies, they so far have offered to pay for only 40. Whitmore said sheriff's officials are in negotiations with D.C. police and inaugural committee officials and have let them know that deputies will be made available only if the department is repaid.

    He said the sheriff is willing to spend about $81,000 on cold-weather gear that would be needed by those making the trip, because it can be used during winter by deputies working in cold areas of the county.

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    update

    http://www.latimes.com/news/local/la...1.story?page=1

    L.A. County sheriff's plan to send deputies to inauguration is questioned.
    Baca wants to fly 347 deputies back east. But some officials wonder if the cost will be too high and if the deputies aren't needed in the county.
    By Molly Hennessy-Fiske and Richard Winton
    December 10, 2008
    The request was straightforward, even flattering. Send a few hundred of Los Angeles County sheriff's deputies across the country next month to assist Washington, D.C., police at the presidential inauguration.

    It's the price tag of $1.6 million -- with as much as $1 million coming from the county -- that has given some top officials indigestion.


    "We're not in a position to police other cities, as worthy as this is," Supervisor Zev Yaroslavsky said Tuesday. "This is not an emergency. This is not Katrina, this is not a hurricane or a natural disaster."

    Sheriff Lee Baca, in a letter dated Tuesday, asked county supervisors to approve plans to charter a plane and fly 347 deputies to Washington where they would work four days. A decision was postponed until next week's meeting.

    At issue is who will ultimately pay for what.


    Everyone agrees that Washington police would pick up the tab for $533,000 in airfare and $97,000 in per diem expenses, but that amount accounts for only a portion of the costs.

    County officials estimate that they would be on the hook for another $905,000 in salary and benefits. In addition, there is $81,000 in needed "cold weather gear" including jackets, gloves, hats and "turtleneck dickies," at a cost of $232 per deputy.

    Baca said Tuesday that concern about repayment is "much ado about nothing."

    "The reality is the county will pay nothing for this," he said, adding that the questions raised about costs are coming as he is still in negotiations with Washington police and the inaugural committee.

    Baca said that providing mutual aid was good policy, adding that earthquake-prone Los Angeles may one day need the favor returned.

    Baca's spokesman, Steve Whitmore, said Tuesday that although D.C. police requested several hundred deputies, so far they have offered to reimburse the salaries of only 40.

    The Sheriff's Department agreed to foot the cost of winter weather gear because it will be used again by deputies working in colder parts of the county, Whitmore said.

    "What the sheriff has said is the department is willing to provide the deputies requested, but they will have to pay all of their salaries," Whitmore said. Some 64 deputies worked the 2004 Bush inaugural, with the costs reimbursed by the Washington, D.C., Metro Police Department.

    Even if the entire cost of the trip is covered, Yaroslavsky and Supervisor Michael Antonovich said they would have trouble approving it.

    "The sheriff's first responsibility is to the citizens of Los Angeles County, to ensure that we have adequate protection at any time of day," Antonovich said. "If they need additional personnel on the East Coast, then they need to utilize personnel on the East Coast."

    Another concern -- despite assurances from the sheriff that those sent would come from "non-emergency" positions -- is whether the county would incur additional overtime costs for deputies needed to backfill for those in Washington.

    "We have a fiscal crisis on our hands and an even worse one looming on the horizon. Our job is to husband our resources," Yaroslavsky said.

    It was unclear Tuesday whether there were enough votes on the five-member board to permit the plan to go forward when it comes up again next week.

    Supervisor Gloria Molina declined to comment on the matter through a spokeswoman. A spokesman for Supervisor Don Knabe said his boss was undecided, as was Supervisor Mark Ridley-Thomas.

    "There are clearly pros and cons to doing so," Ridley-Thomas said. "The question in the final analysis is whether the sheriff and other proponents can persuade the board that this is a defensible thing to do."
    The call for help went out weeks ago, said Traci Hughes of the Washington, D.C., police.

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    "We are expecting historical crowd numbers and there are numerous [inaugural] ball sites" that have to be secured, Hughes said. "Keep in mind too that we have to ensure that people can get in and out of the city. So there will be officers manning traffic posts and just a variety of things."

    As of Tuesday, 96 law enforcement agencies had promised to supply 4,000 additional staff for the inauguration, effectively doubling the ranks of the Washington, D.C., department, Hughes said. Several West Coast law enforcement agencies were approached, she said. Hughes declined to say which ones, citing security.

    Los Angeles Police Department officials said Tuesday that they had not received any requests to provide officers for the inauguration. The department, however, does plan to send a small team of tactical commanders to the inauguration to observe crowd control.


    Steve Remige, president of the Assn. of Los Angeles Deputy Sheriffs, which represents rank-and-file deputies, said Tuesday that his members "are flattered that the inaugural committee believes Los Angeles deputy sheriffs are needed to provide security for the inauguration."

    But, he said, given the state's growing budget deficit, what could amount to a $1-million gift from the county seemed impractical at best.

    "It might be the season for giving," Remige said, "but this is over the top."

    Hennessy-Fiske and Winton are Times staff writers

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    Well its not 300+ but my departments sending 15 to DC for it.
    That was arranged back in August.

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    well, we all know how well the gov't paid depts back promptly after Katrina... this is from across the country... why not grab some depts closer to home, why LA?...

    basically... wtf... or is it the beginning of Obama's "National Security Force"
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    I emailed this article to the boss asking to get sent. With our policy I would get paid from the time I left till the time I got back Did I mention I'm greedy
    'Political Correctness is a doctrine fostered by a
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    holds forth the proposition that it is entirely
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    lol - can't blame that one bit

    work smarter, not harder... if you can rake in that much for that little work, the rest being travel time... much better than pulling an extra 15 or so hours on extra duty that week
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    I dont understand why they wouldnt first contact departments along the east coast???
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    I worked Bush's inauguration in Jan '01. I was in a suburb of DC at the time.

    Every local department was there. Departments up and down the East Coast were there.

    I remember seeing PA State Police there.

    Here's what they do.

    The entire route from the Capitol to the White house is lined with cops, shoulder to shoulder. On both sides of PA Avenue. In front of the cops is the hard line, the intertwined bike racks. Four feet in front of that is the soft line, a rope. Then the crowd.

    With them expecting the huge crowds partying on the Mall they will still need cops on the parade route and then a lot of crowd control cops on the Mall.

    It does not surprise me they are asking agencies from all over the country. Of course nobody is compelling the LA County Sheriff into cooperating. He doesn't have to send anyone. Maybe the inauguration committee should pony up some expenses to cover their party.

    I can tell you that they will need a ton of cops. Guaranteed.

    When we arrived downtown that morning the US Marshal for DC swore us all in as US Marshals for 24 hours in order to enforce law in DC. It was the coldest, most miserable day of my life.

    The temperature was 33 degrees. It rained all day. Of course at that temp we got rain, sleet, and snow. I had on all my gear.

    I was wearing my long johns and layers under my uniform. Then I wore my winter jacket on top of my uniform. On top of that was my rubber rain jacket. I wore the furry trooper hat with the flaps pulled down over my ears. Then I put the rain condom from my bus driver hat on top of the trooper hat to keep it dry. I had neck gators and gloves on too. And it still sucked.

    We stood on the line all day. At the other end of the block they took like ten guys and sent them on a break. The ten just on break got back on line at the opposite end so we all shifted a couple steps to the left. The break almost was worse than the duty because as soon as you went inside and warmed up you had to acclimate all over again outside. I quit going inside on breaks.

    The crowd was crazy. You had all sorts of families there with children and then you had the anarchists running around with signs with curse words on them. Some of the women were topless and painted their bodies. Of course President Bush was about 20 feet from me but I never saw him because I was watching the crowd. I was impressed because the limo drove by and the secret service ran with it. We were near the WH and the USSS had run all the way with the limo from the Capitol. Of course when I got home and watched the news the president constantly stopped and got out to shake hands with the crowd. My block was so bad with anarchists throwing fruit and crap at the limo they just drove by and never stopped.

    One of the protestors came up to the hard line and a USSS cop broke his nose (it was no holds barred for anyone approaching that hard line.) The guy marched up and down the block and the news interviewed him. Every time a camera came by he was in front of it pointing to whatever cop was closest and identified him as the terrible brute who busted his nose up. The media soaked it all in. Of course they weren't at all interested in filming the cops throwing the pocket hand warmers from their own pockets to the little kids sitting and shivering on the curb with their parents.

    I was so relieved to get home and take all that crap off. It was a good 12 or 14 hour day.
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    Sort of interesting that anyone would *not* know that you do not try the Secret Service during a PPD.

    We had a local nut here who showed up at a rally carrying a steak knife. They put her out with ASP batons.
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    Follow the trail. No secret that Lee Baca is an admirer of Obama. Not surprising a request would be made.

    However, what galls me more than anything on this is that LA County is about to go bankrupt. It's deputies are struggling to maintain what they can get. And this fathead sheriff decides it will be okay to schlep off his people to the inaguration, on the backs of the taxpayers? After Obama's campaign admits it raised $750mil USD and has millions left? The board is absolutely correct to challenge Sheriff Baca's desires. To my knowledge, no one around her is sending anyone they can spare unless they will be repaid. Well, maybe Seattle will and the state because both are stars in their eyes supporters of the Messiah.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pgg View Post
    I emailed this article to the boss asking to get sent. With our policy I would get paid from the time I left till the time I got back Did I mention I'm greedy
    No, we all know why you want the money. You want to buy more guns. Nothing wrong with that.


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