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    Quote Originally Posted by Skyy View Post
    Clinton? Rosie O'Donnel? My 16 year old sister? I'm not sure too many could have done worse.
    You don't just get a 'pass' on this forum. If you are going to voice so strong an opinion, you will be expected to qualify it. A comparison of the Clinton Presidency and the Bush Presidency might be a good start. Pray tell, oh wise one.

    Remember your biases. As the economy goes down, your job gets better.
    Being as we all are subject to economic influences, perhaps we have job security, yet we still must suffer the market as consumers ourselves. I suggest you remember your apparent biases before demanding others to do the same.

    That's what he's paid to do. He's just consistently made the wrong ones. I'd be willing to bet most of the people here make harder decisions on a daily basis. Can he please anyone with these decisions? A time of war that we shouldn't have been in, mind you. It's no different than Vietnam. We're certainly no more successful.
    There we go. The "Kerry-esque" comparison of Vietnam to Iraq. Never a more unfounded, irrational, fallacious, and idiotic argument has ever existed.

    Vietnam (Second Indochina War 1957-1975):
    Goal; Containment, (prevent Communist North/Vietcong forces from a successful invasion of the South).
    Result: Withdrawal, fall of Saigon, failure of containment strategy
    Casualties: (U.S.)








    Casualites as of November 7 2001:
    • 58,209 KIA and other dead
    • 303,635 WIA (including 153,303 who required hospitalization and 150,332 who didn't)
    • 1,948 MIA
    Iraq War (Operation Iraqi Freedom 2003-present):
    Goal; invasion, disarmament, regime change, (Incapacitate and topple Feudal Baathist dictator Saddam Hussein, install democratic form of Government).
    Result: Mission goals accomplished, (current stage; occupation/protectorate).
    Casualties: (U.S.)








    Casualties as of January 12 2009:
    • 4,221 KIA and other dead
    • 43,993 WIA
    • 1 MIA
    If after looking at the above, you still make such a ridiculous comparison, then you are as dense as you are misguided. By the way... which party dominated our government administration 1963-1969, and actually committed us militarily in Vietnam? (Just a little trivia question to get the brain juices flowing).

    He's called Ron Paul. But conservatives still have this idea that Bush helped us.
    We've beleaguered the Ron Paul topic here. I refuse to beat a dead horse. I must compliment Paul in one aspect though, he did effectively bow out prior to the election, and refused to be the 'spoiler' that Perot was. I will therefore I laud his grasp of reality, even at the chagrin of his staunchest supporters.

    Fighting terrorism in Iraq, right?
    Yes Virginia... fighting terrorism in Iraq. If you are so convinced that Iraq wasn't deeply involved in support of global terrorism, then I suggest you stop watching PMSNBC, Sexual Harrassment Panda, and Sponge Bob cartoons (which have about the same quality of content), and do some objective research on the topic.

    Start here: http://newsbusters.org/forums/topic-...thing-do-18691 (and follow all those nice links).

    Maybe if he had concern for the better of the people who chose him and pay him, he may be known as a good person, to the people that he is supposed to protect, serve, blah blah blah. It's no different than a San Diego police officer driving to LA to serve the citizens of Los Angeles. That's all happy and good, but the people that chose that person, the people paying his salary, are being fed to the wolves.
    I would consider keeping them from being murdered by the thousands quite compassionate. You, apparently would rather pursue populism and abandon security.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Terminator View Post
    Why is that?
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    Nothing like divide and conquer, eh Jenna?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jenna View Post

    As I suspected. Another liberal wolf disguised as a sheep.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Terminator View Post
    As I suspected. Another liberal wolf disguised as a sheep.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jenna View Post

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    "It's a great life. You risk your skin catching killers and the juries turn them loose so they can come back and shoot at you again. If your honest , your poor your whole life. And , In the end , you wind up dying all alone on some dirty street. For what? For nothing. For a tin star."
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jenna View Post
    Well it would also be great if even more people left the Republican Party to join the Libertarian Party!
    I think it would be greater if we just abolished the party system altogether. IMO the only difference between political parties and street gangs is the street gangs aren't bullshitting themselves about being law-breaking thugs and the political parties have more resources. Even if the Libertarian party picked up and took over Washington it would doubt be a matter of time before they compromise more and more of their views for the sake of votes and appeasing lobbyists- just as the Republicrats have done.

    By being Libertarian, I'm just joining the gang that would be least harmful to our country right now.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rhino View Post
    By being Libertarian, I'm just joining the gang that would be least harmful to our country right now.

    ...in your opinion.

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    Quote Originally Posted by countybear View Post
    You don't just... ...and abandon security
    "You must spread some reputation around before giving it to Countybear again"


    Well said. I wanted to reply to her post but didn't want any more points
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    Anyone who blames the economy on Bush is totally ignoring the fact that the Federal Reserve system controls the interest rates that started this mess, and Congress essentially promoted the disaster by encouraging bad loans to people who couldn't afford them, and pushed the Ponzi scheme called Ginnie Mae.

    What on earth did Bush do to cause the recession??? If anything, his tax cuts delayed it.

    It's hilarious that Obama himself is essentially falling back on tax cuts to save the economy - He's going to do it with rebate checks, but it's still just a tax cut. What gets me is that he refuses to acknowledge that a tax rebate check and a tax cut are the same thing.

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    CountyBear I tried to send some reps but it says I have to spread it around first. If you were around Ohio or if I ever get down down your way I would love to have a couple of beers with you, you're man after my own heart.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dadyswat View Post
    CountyBear I tried to send some reps but it says I have to spread it around first. If you were around Ohio or if I ever get down down your way I would love to have a couple of beers with you, you're man after my own heart.
    Very kind of you to say, sir. Thank you.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Skyy View Post
    Clinton? Rosie O'Donnel? My 16 year old sister? I'm not sure too many could have done worse.

    Remember your biases. As the economy goes down, your job gets better.
    We had a pretty good economy until the credit fiasco. And if you google "Community Reinvestment Act" you'll see this whole debacle was created by the Democrats who think people who can't afford it should be able to get mortgages. That philosophy continued. Five years ago, Barney Frank said that Freddie Mac was sound, but needed to give more loans to low income people. And you blame Bush?????? I have young couples living in my neighborhood who have to be putting out at LEAST 50% of their take home pay to mortgage payments and God only knows how much in credit card debt. Prior to Carter, your mortgage, taxes and insurance couldn't be more than 36% of your net pay. I fault Bush and the Republicans for not pointing this out to the media.

    Clinton's "good economy" was a paper economy based on a dot com bubble. Greenspan continually warned Congress it was going to break and it did in April of 2000. There were many, many companies out there not producing a thing, their only income was from sales of stock.

    I think he went into Iraq too quick, but he went to Afghanistan when Clinton didn't have the balls to. He's kept this nation safe from more terrorist attacks.

    And the second statement is one of the dumbest I've ever seen posted on a police forum. You really think our job get "better" when the economy goes in the toliet and crime goes up? Even our pay comes from tax bases. If the economy is in the dumps, tax dollars go down.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rhino View Post
    I think it would be greater if we just abolished the party system altogether. IMO the only difference between political parties and street gangs is the street gangs aren't bullshitting themselves about being law-breaking thugs and the political parties have more resources. Even if the Libertarian party picked up and took over Washington it would doubt be a matter of time before they compromise more and more of their views for the sake of votes and appeasing lobbyists- just as the Republicrats have done.

    By being Libertarian, I'm just joining the gang that would be least harmful to our country right now.
    The problem is in the private sector, success is measured by how much money you make. In government, it's by how much power you can accumulate. Only the power crazy have any desire to go high in government because power is the only real reward. So it doesn't really matter if there is a party system, or who runs. Anyone wanting the job are dangerous by definition. There is never going to be a government w/o some sort of moral corruption, either monetary or otherwise.

    I'm one of those rare moderate Republicans. I don't give a shit what anyone does in their bedroom as long as they are consenting adults. I'm pretty religious, but I have no desire to inflict my religious beliefs on anyone else and I don't care to hear about anyone else's. I think we have an obligation to take care of those who can't take care of themselves, e.g. the physically and mentally handicapped and the elderly, and in a lot of cases, children. I also believe we treat the mentally ill horribly in this country. A huge portion of the homeless around here should be in a mental hospital, they aren't able to maintain themselves in society.

    But if some 25 year old kid chooses to live on the street, I don't feel the need to provide him with free health insurance. Nor do I believe we should pay some young woman to sit on her ass at home and continue to have babies she can't support. A judge I know had what he called the McDonald's philosophy. When some guy said he couldn't get a job, the judge told him he'd buy that excuse the day McDonald's wasn't hiring. I love that.

    We've become a society of "entitled". Every friggin' kid thinks when he leaves home he or she should have new car, a nice apt., a big screen TV, etc. etc. etc. They can't grasp the concept that shit has to be earned. Frankly, it makes me ill to see people allowing their grown, adult kids to continue to live at home and mooch off them. But that's what we've become and that's one reason our economy has gone to hell. If people can't afford what they want, they buy it anyway.

    Neither major party is the party it was when I was a kid. The Democrats used to be much more conservative and the Republicans were more liberal. It was the Republicans that got the Civil Rights act passed, it was filibustered by Democrats like Bobby Byrd. Like you, I'm sick of both, but frankly I can't stomach the Libertarians either though. I'm sick of extremism of any kind.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Retdetsgt View Post
    And the second statement is one of the dumbest I've ever seen posted on a police forum. You really think our job get "better" when the economy goes in the toliet and crime goes up? Even our pay comes from tax bases. If the economy is in the dumps, tax dollars go down.

 

 
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