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    Californians Look for the Exit

    Go East, young man? Californians look for the exit
    By MICHAEL R. BLOOD, Associated Press Writer Michael R. Blood, Associated Press Writer 2 hrs 9 mins ago

    LOS ANGELES Mike Reilly spent his lifetime chasing the California dream. This year he's going to look for it in Colorado.

    With a house purchase near Denver in the works, the 38-year-old engineering contractor plans to move his family 1,200 miles away from his home state's lemon groves, sunshine and beaches. For him, years of rising taxes, dead-end schools, unchecked illegal immigration and clogged traffic have robbed the Golden State of its allure.

    Is there something left of the California dream?

    "If you are a Hollywood actor," Reilly says, "but not for us."

    Since the days of the Gold Rush, California has represented the Promised Land, an image celebrated in the songs of the Beach Boys and embodied by Silicon Valley's instant millionaires and the young men and women who achieve stardom in Hollywood.

    But for many California families last year, tomorrow started somewhere else.

    The number of people leaving California for another state outstripped the number moving in from another state during the year ending on July 1, 2008. California lost a net total of 144,000 people during that period more than any other state, according to census estimates. That is about equal to the population of Syracuse, N.Y.

    The state with the next-highest net loss through migration between states was New York, which lost just over 126,000 residents.

    California's loss is extremely small in a state of 38 million. And, in fact, the state's population continues to increase overall because of births and immigration, legal and illegal. But it is the fourth consecutive year that more residents decamped from California for other states than arrived here from within the U.S.

    A losing streak that long hasn't happened in California since the recession of the early 1990s, when departures outstripped arrivals from other states by 362,000 in 1994 alone.

    In part because of the boom in population in other Western states, California could lose a congressional seat for the first time in its history.

    Why are so many looking for an exit?

    Among other things: California's unemployment rate hit 8.4 percent in November, the third-highest in the nation, and it is expected to get worse. A record 236,000 foreclosures are projected for 2008, more than the prior nine years combined, according to research firm MDA DataQuick. Personal income was about flat last year.

    With state government facing a $41.6 billion budget hole over 18 months, residents are bracing for higher taxes, cuts in education and postponed tax rebates. A multibillion-dollar plan to remake downtown Los Angeles has stalled, and office vacancy rates there and in San Diego and San Jose surpass the 10.2 percent national average.

    Median housing prices have nose-dived one-third from a 2006 peak, but many homes are still out of reach for middle-class families. Some small towns are on the brink of bankruptcy. Normally recession-proof Hollywood has been hit by layoffs.

    "You see wages go down and the cost of living go up," Reilly says. His property taxes will be $1,300 in Colorado, down from $4,300 on his three-bedroom house in Nipomo, about 80 miles up the coast from Santa Barbara.

    California's obituary has been written before "California: The Endangered Dream" was the title of a 1991 Time magazine cover story. The Golden State and its huge economy by itself, the eighth-largest in the world have shown resilience, weathering the aerospace bust, the dot-com crash and an energy crunch in recent years.

    But this time, the news just keeps getting worse.

    A state board halted lending for about 2,000 public works projects in California worth more than $16 billion because the state could not afford them. A report by Sen. Barbara Boxer, D-Calif., last month said the state lost 100,000 jobs in the last year and the erosion of home prices eliminated over $1 trillion in wealth.

    "I don't think the California dream, per se, is over. It has become and will continue to become grittier," says New America Foundation senior fellow Gregory Rodriguez. "Now, perhaps, we have to reassess the California of our imagination."

    Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger is among those who say the state needs to create itself anew, rebuilding roads, schools and transit.

    "We've lived off the investments our parents made in the '50s and '60s for a long time," says Tim Hodson, director of the Center for California Studies at California State University, Sacramento. "We're somewhat in the position of a Rust Belt state in the 1970s."

    Financial adviser Barry Hartz lived in California for 60 years and once ran for state Assembly before relocating with his wife last year to Colorado Springs, Colo., where his son's family had moved.

    "The saddest thing I saw was the escalation of home prices to the point our kids, when they got married, could not live in the community where they lived and grew up," Hartz says. "Some people call that progress."
    Their voting has destroyed the economy in their state and they are now fleeing to ruin the rest of the country.

    We have friends in NH. The once conservative state is being flooded with Massholes because Massachusetts is ruined with high taxes and high cost of living. They ruined their state and have moved to NH and are voting for the same kind of politicians who ruined their previous state.

    Now these folks from California are leaving with the same enlightened political outlook that caused the reasons they need to flee.

    My state is slowly being ruined by that same kind of enlightened thinking from the Northeast.
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    I'm wondering why they think this is news. For as long as I can remember people have been leaving California for a variety of reasons. High real estate costs, poor education systems, and a general disdain for all things weather related (fires/earthquakes) have been sending people fleeing from California for years. Of course, I don't lump Northern California in with Southern California. They're pretty much two different planets...
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    Most Californians I know are in the north. They would place the "crazy line" or No.Cal / So.Cal line north of Sacramento, and the Bay Area.

    The problems are not the people. The problem is government. The problem in Calif. rests with one party rule for decades. Hint: the Party in power is run by the radicals, anarchists, and Marxists of my generation. Calif. is not the only place, it's just more out of the closet.

    Government is the sole-source in a Marxist state; the all-knowing, the beginning and the end. Those who live under, and have adjusted to the yoke of socialism / communism, seek answers for all their problems thru the govt. They may re-locate, but bring their old habits of solutions thru govt. They need to learn to become participating citizens. They need to think for themselves.

    A lot of people have given up and left. Incentive is "exploitation", "progress" is a govt program. There are four layers of govt, competing bureacracies, the schools are run by the NEA and union bosses who do not represent teachers or students. Local control of schools has been given up to the State, and the Party line is handed down.

    Just a thought: who "accredits" police agencies? What do these outside powers demand of your PD/SO? Who is behind them? Who writes the standards, what does it stand for? What is the goal? Does conformance bring grant money? What are the strings? Does it remove the community control of it's Police and Sheriff?

    Lawyers complicate simple things, and compete with politicians and union bosses to become the fattest hogs at the public trough. What is the population of lawyers in your government?

    The system as it is does not want your vote; it takes it. The minds of your children are mortgaged to their further use. Your union bosses sold out long ago. The relief of responsibility thru blame-transference is one of Lenin's lies told often - thus becoming truth.

    The political prime directive of the Left is to become like a Borg space-ship collective. It will assimilate, spread, contaminate, and replaces the individual with the "collective". It assimilates, or it kills.

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    Quote Originally Posted by irishmick View Post
    I'm wondering why they think this is news. For as long as I can remember people have been leaving California for a variety of reasons. High real estate costs, poor education systems, and a general disdain for all things weather related (fires/earthquakes) have been sending people fleeing from California for years. Of course, I don't lump Northern California in with Southern California. They're pretty much two different planets...
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    And now we have a president and congress that wants to do the same for all of us.

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    I have two cousins who live in San Diego. It's a beautiful place. The climate is beautiful. The ocean is beautiful. But one of them recently bought a 1200 square foot townhouse for $649,000.

    I don't care how beautiful it is. I have a 1700 square-foot house and 7 acres of land in Northern Georgia that I paid $97,500 for. I have a mortgage I can pay comfortably, a school system that's fine, and I can't see any of my neighbors. I love it here. (Our department is hiring, if anyone wants to move! :-) )

    I don't blame people who want to live in California and can make it work. It's a lovely place. And I've never been to Northern California. But from what I've seen, it's not for me!

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    I happily left California two weeks after high school many, many years ago. I was born and raised in the San Diego area. I will never live in California again.

    I still have family there who proudly told me of their single story house in a lot that was nearly 4x the price of my 1 acre of land, salmon bearing stream and house. Priorities, I guess.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Elena View Post
    I have two cousins who live in San Diego. It's a beautiful place. The climate is beautiful. The ocean is beautiful. But one of them recently bought a 1200 square foot townhouse for $649,000.

    I don't care how beautiful it is. I have a 1700 square-foot house and 7 acres of land in Northern Georgia that I paid $97,500 for. I have a mortgage I can pay comfortably, a school system that's fine, and I can't see any of my neighbors. I love it here. (Our department is hiring, if anyone wants to move! :-) )

    I don't blame people who want to live in California and can make it work. It's a lovely place. And I've never been to Northern California. But from what I've seen, it's not for me!
    Elena needs to get off the sauce. Alcoholism is truely sad. In the South we are all gun carrying, knuckle dragging, inbred, tobacco spitting, and mildly retarted rednecks. No "enlightened" person would ever be happy here. If you aren't from the South, enjoy your visit but don't stay long because someone will take a liking to yur pirty teeth. http://media.photobucket.com/video/d...njos_1.flv?o=1


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    *laughs* I moved down here from Minnesota and I was told that even though my state didn't exist during the civil war, I was still a yankee.

    I decided to stay in Georgia, and I was then labeled a "damn yankee."

    Then I married a born-and-bred Southern Man and was told I was a "God-damned Yankee."

    Nowadays I go home and my mom chastises me for my Southern accent.

    I'll never win!

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    Not wanting to offend anyone on here from So.Cal....
    I don't care where they go, just don't come to far north....


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    Quote Originally Posted by Elena View Post
    *laughs* I moved down here from Minnesota and I was told that even though my state didn't exist during the civil war, I was still a yankee.

    I decided to stay in Georgia, and I was then labeled a "damn yankee."

    Then I married a born-and-bred Southern Man and was told I was a "God-damned Yankee."

    Nowadays I go home and my mom chastises me for my Southern accent.

    I'll never win!
    I am also a Northern carpet-bagging Yankee dog. But, I married a southerner so I get partial credit. I love GRITS! (Girls Raised In The South)
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    I enjoy being called a Yankee even though:

    1. I have more in common with southerners, and:

    2. My state didn't exist during the civil war or more than 20 years after.

    Anyhow, I wish the Californians would stop coming to Washington and mucking it up for us natives.

    (Morris, I'll make an exception for you - you're the only Californian I know with moss on him.)
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    One of the many reasons why some Californians are moving out of state is there are just too many Californians. With the past notions of some who have moved here from the rest of the 49 states to "live the dream" and the current south of the border population moving here and setting up shop, can you blame us?

    Granted, much of the real estate in the more populated areas have costs through the roof. San Francisco Bay Area, Silicon Valley, Los Angeles, San Diego, etc. I could never afford to live in those big cities. What is happening in my area of the Central Valley is that many people that are working in SF and the rest of the Bay Area are moving here in search of more affordable housing, thus driving our real estate through the roof so that the natives to the area can't even afford to buy in the neighborhoods that they grew up in. Thus turning towns in the Central Valley into bedroom communities. Bay Area commuters will travel up to 2 hrs and sometimes more just for affordable housing.

    I have been told that if a Californian wants to move to Oregon or Washington they had better have family or friends living there that are already established, otherwise it can be very difficult to get started in those states. My sister in law didn't listen to that reasoning and moved up to the Gresham Portland area and has found things somewhat hard but she is determined to try and make a go of it without family support. Kittylynn also has an Aunt and Uncle in the Puyallup, WA area as well.

    Alas if I do end up moving out of state it will be to Utah where much of Kittylynn's family is and since I am LDS the religion there won't be a problem.

    Southern California and the San Francisco Bay Area are their own little worlds (the population centers) and ruin it for the rest of the state. No offense to those on the Board that live there.


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    I have family in Stockton and Oakley (Oakley family from Escondido). Visiting them and looking at housing prices makes me want to cry. I was second generation Californian. There is no way my grandfather, a 20 year retired Navy man, could afford to live near the UofP as he did years ago (working at Rough N Ready).

    California is suffering from the flight of heavy industry from it's business centers. It wasn't that long ago you could buy a car made in California or fly in a McDonnel Douglas aircraft. Service industry can't prop up that side of things. If it wasn't for the agriculture, the state would be a much poorer place.

    I remember back in the early 80s of a movement that showed California to be the seventh largest economy in the world. There was serious talk of seceeding from the union in order to have all of the money remain in California.

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    CT, I'd be more than happy to show your sister in law around or even just take her out for coffee sometime. Being in a new (even if it's not *that* new) place with no one to bitch to can be hard.
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    The first real exodus from S. Calif. to Oregon was in the late 70's when housing really started going nuts down there. The sad thing is that it completely changed Oregon's culture, especially around Portland.

    Until then, the drivers were mostly friendly and courteous, we had no gangs, etc. By the mid 80's, we had road rage, freeway shootings, L.A. gangs, etc. Our housing went nuts too, although it's still not as bad as it is down there.

    The only real advantage is that if the S. Californians have a lot of equity in their homes, they can still come up here and do pretty well. I know in the 80's, people were selling their houses down there and coming up and paying cash for nicer homes and not having to have a mortgage.

    Ironically, the liberal culture they brought up here has destroyed a lot of job opportunities. Logging is more or less history now. They love taxing businesses, so just about all the manufacturing firms that were here are gone now. None seriously look at Oregon anymore. Culturally, it's simply nothing like the state I settled in in the late 60's. They've made it just like S. California except without the nice weather.

    I would never advise anyone to move to Oregon now. In fact, when I retired, I seriously considered moving back to Texas where I grew up. I would have if my kids and grandkids weren't up here.
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    Quote Originally Posted by irishmick View Post
    CT, I'd be more than happy to show your sister in law around or even just take her out for coffee sometime. Being in a new (even if it's not *that* new) place with no one to bitch to can be hard.
    Well, we have just heard that she has a fiance that is some type of "investment banker" that is twice her age. She has been up there for about six years now. She is 31 now, and he is older than her mother. Never could quite figure that one out. His kids call her "The Gold Digger". Whatever floats your boat, I guess. If we ever get up that way, I will look you up, though.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Morris View Post
    I have family in Stockton and Oakley (Oakley family from Escondido). Visiting them and looking at housing prices makes me want to cry. I was second generation Californian. There is no way my grandfather, a 20 year retired Navy man, could afford to live near the UofP as he did years ago (working at Rough N Ready).
    That's not very far from me, I work at Sharpe Army Depot. Kittylynn assists a physically handicapped young lady with MD go to school at UOP for a language major. She tells me that many of the students there appear to be born with a few silver spoons in their mouths. Personally, I think UOP is borderline UC Berkeley but on a private scale. Though the school does offer some good degrees if you can afford to go to school there.

    Quote Originally Posted by Morris View Post
    California is suffering from the flight of heavy industry from it's business centers. It wasn't that long ago you could buy a car made in California or fly in a McDonnel Douglas aircraft. Service industry can't prop up that side of things. If it wasn't for the agriculture, the state would be a much poorer place.
    Absolutely right, the Central Valley is very heavily involved in agriculture. Ford had a plant in San Jose, too.

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    I remember back in the early 80s of a movement that showed California to be the seventh largest economy in the world. There was serious talk of seceding from the union in order to have all of the money remain in California.
    I heard eighth but who's counting.


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    Quote Originally Posted by maclean View Post
    Anyhow, I wish the Californians would stop coming to Washington and mucking it up for us natives.

    (Morris, I'll make an exception for you - you're the only Californian I know with moss on him.)
    This doesnt extend to Floridians coming to Washington, does it? We have lots of humidity and heat here...so no moss but I most probably have mold.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Wolven View Post
    This doesnt extend to Floridians coming to Washington, does it? We have lots of humidity and heat here...so no moss but I most probably have mold.

    It shouldn't. Once you get south of the panhandle, your a yankee too.

 

 
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