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    California would become the first state in the nation to legalize marijuana for recreational use under a bill introduced today

    California would become the first state in the nation to legalize marijuana for recreational use under a bill introduced today by Assemblyman Tom Ammiano, D-San Francisco.
    The proposal would regulate marijuana like alcohol, with people over 21 years old allowed to grow, buy, sell and possess cannabis - all of which is barred by federal law.
    Ammiano said taxes and other fees that accompany regulation could put more than a billion dollars a year into state coffers at a time when revenues continue to decline. He said he anticipates the federal government could soften its stance on marijuana under the Obama administration.
    "We could in fact have the political will to do something, and certainly in the meantime this is a public policy call and I think it's worth the discussion," Ammiano said. "I think the outcome would be very healthy for California and California's economy."
    A spokeswoman for the Drug Enforcement Agency in Washington, D.C., declined to comment on the proposal.
    The use of marijuana for medical conditions has been legal in California since voters approved Proposition 215 in 1996.

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    I suspect that will be a trend. Apparently so many people smoke it that it's beginning to seem silly to not legalize it. Probably won't do any more harm, if as much as booze does now.....
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    I suspect that DUI's will increase as will the backlog to the crime labs for blood/urine tests.
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    Half of my DUIs are already from pot. I'm sure this would increase it. The medical marijuana is such a joke now. We have people up here with scripts for hangnails and it's good for the rest of their lives. I have seen marijuana ruin peoples lives so they can no longer function. This would make more people like this that we the taxpayer will have to support.

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    I wish someone would figure out a roadside test, asap.
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    Quote Originally Posted by pgg View Post
    I have seen marijuana ruin peoples lives so they can no longer function. This would make more people like this that we the taxpayer will have to support.
    Booze does the same thing to more people. Addicts are going to get it anyway. Marijuana laws are just as effective as prohibition was in the 20's. I've never smoked dope in my life, but I'd rather see the government make money from the sale than waste it trying to stop it.
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    Wonder why they dont stop to think of the increase on the medical community from an increase of use?? Oh thats right its because it would deflate their supposed billion dollar gain.
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    The market for Doritos is going to skyrocket!
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    Quote Originally Posted by hush29 View Post
    The market for Doritos is going to skyrocket!
    Now that's funny!

    Anybody ever seen anyone have to go to the hospital or get medical attention from OD'ing on marijuana? I haven't.
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    It's a win/win situation. If Marijuana is legalized in California, one of three things will happen: it will either improve the quality of life there, it will stay the same, or it will get worse.

    If it improves, great! It will show our country as a whole that legalization of marijuana isn't the devil everyone seems to think it will be and maybe our federal laws will follow suite.

    If it stays the same, ditto for above.

    If it gets worse, the California will fall into chaos and slide off into the ocean.

    So I ask you... what's the down side?
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    let Cali give it a shot and see how it works out. The thing is, i don't think there's really a way to do road side type test to determine if your to high to be driving. I guess they could come up with some kind of field sobriety test. "with people over 21 years old allowed to grow, buy, sell and possess cannabis" yea this is stupid though, let anyone over 21 grow and sell it though, there's no way to regulate that. Right now not just anyone can brew and sell booze, ya gotta get a license and such, if they just let anyone grow and sell it then the gov aint gonna get their tax money from it and there's no way for the gov to make sure that joe blow 21 year old is not selling to the dope to minors, but if the gov set it up like booze and found a way to test impaired drivers on the spot then i say hell let Cali try it, not like its going to screw that state up anymore than it already is =)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rhino View Post
    It's a win/win situation. If Marijuana is legalized in California, one of three things will happen: it will either improve the quality of life there, it will stay the same, or it will get worse.

    If it improves, great! It will show our country as a whole that legalization of marijuana isn't the devil everyone seems to think it will be and maybe our federal laws will follow suite.

    If it stays the same, ditto for above.

    If it gets worse, the California will fall into chaos and slide off into the ocean.

    So I ask you... what's the down side?
    It will be yet another legal substance that can be possessed to put the brain of a driver under a depressed state. I guess the yet named disease that tax dollars will have to treat will be marijuanaism. You know, for those folks who don't drink and don't suffer from alcoholism but have the motto puff puff pass.
    I'm to stupid or lazy to have a job but I am hooked on marijuana and suffer from it. Please pay for my medical bills. Oops I sure am sorry I was high and smashed into your minivan containing your kids. The officer did stop me before I smoked but you know, since it is like legal now, he couldn't do me anything.
    Hell at this rate let's just legalize all drug possession and usage, tax the hell out of it because after all the states are going broke, and just make any crime of violence related to possession or usage, no matter how slight, a roadside death penalty case. Problem solved.
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    I'm still against it until they can figure out an implied consent law for it and a roadside test.

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    Quote Originally Posted by lewisipso View Post
    It will be yet another legal substance that can be possessed to put the brain of a driver under a depressed state. I guess the yet named disease that tax dollars will have to treat will be marijuanaism. You know, for those folks who don't drink and don't suffer from alcoholism but have the motto puff puff pass.
    I see your point, but people that will abuse marijuana are probably already abusing something else. At least marijuana tends to mellow people out rather than make them combative like alcohol and some other drugs.

    Also the money gained from taxes would probably offset any medical costs. Again, addiction is addiction and marijuana is nothing special. I've worked with a lot of alcoholics and addicts especially cops, but in the general public, few people have only one addiction. There's a big time rehab place in my little town that caters to movie types and doctors. I speak at it once in a while and I've found that we are already treating all sorts of addiction in addition to alcoholism.

    Good grief, there are no telling how many people that are out there who are driving under the influence of prescription drugs now. I may be wrong, but I don't really believe there will be a spike in fatal traffic wrecks. I can't cite it, but I remember reading a short time ago that speed is involved in more fatal accidents than alcohol.

    What will be interesting to see it what it does to the illegal dope dealers. ATF will become AMTF to go after illegal growers like they do moonshiners.....
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    Quote Originally Posted by Retdetsgt View Post

    Anybody ever seen anyone have to go to the hospital or get medical attention from OD'ing on marijuana? I haven't.
    You must not be looking to hard. Hundreds of thousands of people every year are sent to the hospital for an illness or condition directly related to marijuana use, including 'overdoses.' This drives up our healthcare costs and costs taxpayer's money.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Terminator View Post
    You must not be looking to hard. Hundreds of thousands of people every year are sent to the hospital for an illness or condition directly related to marijuana use, including 'overdoses.' This drives up our healthcare costs and costs taxpayer's money.

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    You're right, Brad. You can OD on marijuana. It only takes about 1,500 pounds of it.

    The definition of OD I believe we're using here is "enough to kills you". Not "enough to make you sick".
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rhino View Post
    The definition of OD I believe we're using here is "enough to kills you". Not "enough to make you sick".
    o·ver·dose (vr-ds)n. An excessive dose, especially of a narcotic.

    v. (vr-ds) o·ver·dosed, o·ver·dos·ing, o·ver·dos·es
    v.intr. To take an overdose.

    v.tr. To administer too large a dose or too many doses to.

    Not sure who died and put you in charge of what definition we're using here.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Terminator View Post
    You must not be looking to hard. Hundreds of thousands of people every year are sent to the hospital for an illness or condition directly related to marijuana use, including 'overdoses.' This drives up our healthcare costs and costs taxpayer's money.
    Compared to the number of people who are hospitalized and die from the effects of tobacco? How about obesity? Marijuana caused illnesses are a drop in the bucket compared to those.

    I've been on calls where people OD's on heroin, alcohol, PCP, cocaine and just about everything else, never on a marijuana though. Have you?

    Besides, legalizing it is going to cause a appreciable spike even in that? I bet a huge percentage of people already use it and I doubt that many that don't aren't likely to start just because it's legal. And those probably aren't going to be the ones to OD from it.

    As far as definitions of overdosing, hell based on that, I overdose on food periodically. I've never had to go to the hospital one time for it though.
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    You can do roadside tests to determine if someone is under the influence of a controlled substance including marijuana. I do the same tests for prescription drugs also. If I determine they are under the influence I arrest them and get a urine or blood (preferably blood). It is charged as a DUI since our vehicle code covers both alcohol and drugs

 

 
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