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    Question Political Question

    Please excuse me for a moment while I rant about something that is bothering me.

    As a group, the Democratic Party claims that they are for individual rights. They believe in things like the right of a woman to be pro-choice, or stem cell research based on one's right to find cures for diseases, etc. Generally speaking, Democrats seem to have a pro-choice approach on most issues, and most believe that the government should take more of a hands-off approach (less government) and let the people manage their rights to make choices for themselves. Am I right?

    So, why is it that, as a group, the Democratic Party seems to always have an agenda against our right to bear arms? I thought I was supposed to be the 'conservative' one. What is it that makes the Democratic Party so against my right to purchase a gun with a 30 round magazine, or a bayonet lug? Really, as long as I am responsible with my guns and follow the laws already on the books, what's the big deal?

    If President Obama and his administration reinstate a weapons ban, wouldn't it be ironic since they (the Democrats) are going against what they claim to stand for: individual rights, and the right to choose?

    Can anyone explain this to me? I would love to have this discussion.

    PLEASE, lets not get into a mudslinging contest or Dems vs. Reps discussion, I am just curious to find out if anyone can give me a logical explaination for this little observation of mine. Am I not correct in my observation? Please let me know.

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    Damn, there you go asking the tough questions again!

    The Democratic party is not for individual rights. That should clear up an issues you have.
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    What Maclean said. They are against the individual having a right. They want to impose their view on you, whatever that view may be. People with weapons generally think for themselves and tend to believe in individuality.
    'Political Correctness is a doctrine fostered by a
    delusional, illogical liberal minority, and rabidly
    promoted by an unscrupulous mainstream media, which
    holds forth the proposition that it is entirely
    possible to pick up a turd by the clean end!'

    “A fear of weapons is a sign of retarded sexual and emotional maturity.” Sigmund Freud

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    a rant

    The Democrat Party is not the party of FDR, Truman, Kennedy, or Stevenson. The present leadership of The Party is loyal only to The Party, they are not loyal to the United States. Their loyalty rests with a system they describe as progressive. Progressive means Marxist. They are European Socialism in the best light; they may prove to become a hostile foreign presence. They accept foreign money to continue their mission.

    The Party will attempt to make their members in Congress "election proof", thru vote fraud, or by any means. We are now under a defacto single party rule. Everything that went wrong with social engineering in places like Detroit, Mass, Calif., and several other blighted areas, will now be shared by all.

    The opposing party has given up, and merely grabs their ankles. What the hell was the name of that group? Wolverines ?

    The Party. Demokrats. I refer to it as "The Party". Everything they profess is based on serving The Party. Absolute loyalty and obedience is demanded, or you are out. Dissent is not tolerated. The Party Line is the way of life. You now only have the right to agree with them.

    The Party is patient and dedicated to destruction of individualism, and initiative. The Party begins by destroying the values, customs, institutions, and morality of their target. The Marxist formula (Dialectic) is to create hatred, class warfare, chaos, economic decline, divide and conquer, and control the press. The Party must control the schools, the economy, the means to communicate, the means to resist, and have the tools to bring the people under control. They intend to control your life at home, at work, your personal finances, and to take the minds of our children and grand-children as their property. They want your weapons first.

    The Party has been successful in control of the press. The Party has been successful in minimizing or re-defining some of our traditonal holidays, customs, and sense of Nation. The Party has been successful in maintaning class warfare by use of the "race card" to demonize their opponents as "racist". "Taxing the rich" has multiple meanings. "Political correctness" is not a new thing, nor was it created in Berkeley at the "Free Speech Movement". PC has been the "Party Line" standard of approved behavior for the Soviet Communist Party, the Chinese Communist Party, and the rulers of the Communist Bloc. Simply put: comply or die.

    The Dictionary of The Party
    One thing to remember is The Party has, and will continue to, re-define EVERYTHING. They use common words we are accustomed to, but apply different meanings.
    1) TRUTH: To The Party, truth is any communication that serves The Party.
    2) LIBERTY: you have the right to agree, not to disagree. Dissent is not tolerated.
    3) PEACE: is the peace of cemeteries, filled with those who oppose them.
    4) LEGAL: is interpretation and re-writing laws and regulations that confom to The Party's long term and short term goals. Their lawyers determine what is legal.
    5) HONOR: compliance and unquestioning servitude to The Party.
    6) "THE PEOPLE": means loyal card-carrying members of The Party. The meaning and definition of "we the people" as used in the US Constitution is corrupted for their use.

    Remember: The Party operates on dual meanings, deception, and outright lies. The Party considers "reasonable" as absolute agreement and compliance. The Party assumes that people are stupid, selfish, lazy, and must be herded like sheep. "We know what is best for you" The Party does not promote the study or teaching of History; The party will provide you with their version of History. The Party creates a "nanny state" that seems benevolent, but is intended to create absolute dependence on the government. The Party creates "the State" and the State is the "religion" of The Party. The Party is the supreme authority and directs the State. The Party has no loyalty to the host Nation, it is simply a vehicle to be used, as host is to a parasite, corruptred / converted, then discarded to the"dustbin of history". Nations may collapse, The Party is international, since the collpase of the Soviet Union, the UN appears to be the host for the Communist Interntional.

    The Party employs or creates conditions to weaken, corrupt and replace civil institutions of the host Nation with their rules, their "truth" and legitimize it. The Party uses labor uinions to secure bloc voting in elections. The "union shop" in government employees unions secures the expense, intelletual isolation and political re-education, transfer of loyalty, and ultimate subversion of the civil service to the purpose of The Party. The unions are one group of the "useful fools" The Party employs. The union leadership has become an instrument or tool of The Party.

    Education: The Party now has control of the public schools in the United States. The Party demands central control; managing curriculum, books, structuring "national" examinations that will determine the career future of the student. The emphasis is on obedience, group thinking, and removal of local control of education. The NEA, a corrupted teacher's union, is the tool of The Party. The NEA has betrayed it's original purpose in the United States long ago. The NEA now has little concern for quality at the classroom-teacher-student at the communinty level. The NEA has been quite sucessful in gaining centralized government control of schools, focusing on placement of their cadre in administrative positions. The willingness of parents to challenge the content of the school curriculum is lost when they are shouted down and called racists, red-necks at PTA or school board meetings. The Party ensures that the same labels are attached at the union level, and thru the media. The children of dissenting / complaining parents are pressured on the playground. The government unions are now trying to organize day-care workers, to gain access to the minds of toddlers and pre-school children. Old school Communiists agree that control of the minds of the next generations is absolutely necessary for their success.

    The Media, Press: the "mainstream" media has sold out to The Party. The media has adopted the dicitionary of The Party, and holds to the same standards or truth, and tactics. PRAVDA as an example, describes the media's missoin and objectivity.

    Law enforcement: Subvert and establish Party control at the union level and command level.
    Command: Centralize law enforcement standards with "accreditation". Provide the Chiefs and Sheriffs in compliance with a reward system in the form of funding for personnel and equipment grants. Anyone notice the rise of "PC" in their department with the onset of "accreditation"? Those police executives who excel are rewarded with "resume" building courses, and further employment opportunities. Those not toeing the line lose federal funding and have to obey federal compliance orders. Many senior Associations of Chiefs and Sheriffs have parroted the Party Line.

    The journey-level police unions are a target of The Party, to subvert and control. Some have been been brought in, or sold out by the union leaders. The Party is not comfortable with the innate skepticism, independence, and low-bullshit tolerance of the US Police Officer. The Party aproaches the US Police Service with caution, as a traditional enemy, and prefers to manage their behavior indirectly thru funding, the Courts, and tort-claims. US Police are armed, their loyalty is first to their community and the Nation. The police are protectors - not herders or herd creatures, and are not under Federal or The Party's central control - yet. The Party may attempt to Federalize, swear police to an new oath, or legislate exisiting police jurisdicition to a level The Party can exploit. Generous "elitist" LEO "exemptions" to gun controls may be used to drive a wedge between police, citizen gun-owners, and community.

    The fast track cabinet confirmations of Obama appointees in the 111th Congress appear suspiciously like 75 years ago. In 1934, Adolf Hitler had a "rubber stamp" legislature, the '34 Reichstag. To cement his power, Hitler placed police, military, and civil servants under a new oath of loyalty to "the Fuhrer Adolf Hitler", as a condition of continued employment. The old oath was loyalty to the German Constitution, the "Volk" and the "Fatherland". It can happen here, and it is not beneath the Democrat Party to attempt it thru "declaration of emergency" or creating some crisis to act as "our protector".

    Propaganda: The Party has not defined "change". The background of Mr/Mrs Obama has been "fluffed", and not given the scrutiny The Party would want for an opposing party leader. The "financial crisis" has been the "red herring" to blame the econony on others, shielding the Party's historical role in the Congress. Use of the "big lie" was what Bill Clinton legitimized and personified.

    Immigration: The Party would legitimize the illegal alien and foreign criminal migration to the US for a ready-made compliant Democrat voting bloc. These imports would be placed under public assistance, and The Party supports their litigating any grievance at the public expense. This began as the "Marielito boat" mass exodus of Cuban prison inmates dumped by Castro onto our beaches. This bit of history, seldom referred to now, remains part of Jimmy Carter's presidential legacy. The problem has exploded, and the US Congress has enabled the problem.

    Military: The Party has begun to cut the retired military service-member's earned benefits.

    Things to look forward to:
    Total control of your medical.
    Gun registration schemes with massive civil disobedience. The answer will be gun raids
    upon private dwellings, by police such as "safe street" Federal task forces.
    Control of your salary, bank accounts, and retirement.
    Nationalized police, or forcing obedience/compliance on local police.
    Travel restrictions, internal identity documents or "national ID".
    Takeover of all schools under disguise of "standards", micromanaged within the DC
    beltway.
    Unons implementing job-site people controls as agents of the govt.
    Election fraud, or exemption / cancellaton of elections.
    Criminal aliens amnesty and placement in your community.
    Taxes. Up to 70 percent of your money off the top.

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    Quotes worthy of note:

    Joseph Stalin:
    "It is enough that the people know there was an election. The people who cast the votes decide nothing. The people who count the votes decide everything".
    "If the opposition disarms, well and good. If it refuses to disarm, we shall disarm it ourselves."
    "Ideas are more powerful than guns. We would not let our enemies have guns, why should we let them have ideas."

    Vladimir I. Lenin:
    "One man with a gun can control 100 without one".
    "Give us the child for 8 years and it will be a Bolshevik forever"
    "The best way to destroy the capitalist system is to debauch the currency”
    “The press should be not only a collective propagandist and a collective agitator, but also a collective organizer of the masses”
    "When one makes a Revolution, one cannot mark time; one must always go forward - or go back. He who now talks about the "freedom of the press" goes backward, and halts our headlong course towards Socialism.

    Adolf Hitler:
    "How fortunate for leaders that men do not think".
    "Success is the sole earthly judge of right and wrong."
    "The great masses of the people will more easily fall victims to a big lie than to a small one.

    Heinrich Himmler:
    “Germans who wish to use firearms should join the SS or the SA - ordinary citizens don't need guns, as their having guns doesn't serve the State”

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    Say it cannot happen here? You understimate, like many Europeans, and Jewish
    Europeans did in the 1930's and 1940's. They did not ask why, the answer was too
    obvious and brutal, denial became their comfort zone, a lethal avoidance of the obvious.

    Rant over. Waiting for the 4AM knock on my door. See you in the gulag?
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    The Democratic Party's anti-gun stance is based on a combination of culture and principles.

    When it comes to principles, there are conflicts within the Democratic Party between the libertarian Democrats who value individual liberties most of all (e.g. pro stem cell research, abortion rights, civil liberties, gay marriage, legalization of marijuana and prostitution, etc.) and the socialist Democrats who value the government's ability to protect citizens from harm most of all (e.g. pro universal healthcare, environmentalist regulations, regulation of financial markets, high taxes to fund social services, roads, law enforcement, public education, public transportation, etc.)

    Many libertarian Democrats favor gun rights on principle, but go along with the anti-gun socialist Democrats in exchange for the latter's support for other freedoms (which many socialist Democrats wouldn't consider a priority if it weren't for their alliance with libertarian Democrats).The libertarian Democrats actually have more in common with libertarian Republicans than they do with socialist Democrats. One of these days I think libertarian Republicans and libertarian Democrats will join forces and make the Libertarian party a viable third party. But it's taking awhile because it's hard to get libertarians organized since they each want to do their own thing--it's like herding cats!

    As a compromise between its libertarian and socialist supporters, the Democratic Party supports individual freedom to engage in "victimless" activities while opposing individual freedom to engage in activities that might harm others. Where the line between harmful and "victimless" activity is drawn is determined by the urban culture that most Democrats share. Things like abortion, gay marriage, marijuana and prostitution are seen as harmless because most Democrats live in big cities where tolerance for such things is high. Guns, however, are rare among law-abiding civilians and possessed mainly by criminals in the big cities where most Democrats live, so guns are classified as something harmful that the government needs to protect people from. Most urban residents don't see guns as an important part of law-abiding citizens' lives because they aren't part of a culture of gun ownership (which exists mostly in more rural areas).

    I've lived most of my life in big cities among people who don't have or want guns, and I'm also on the socialist side of the socialist/libertarian divide in the Democratic Party, so I used to be anti-gun before you all convinced me that it is possible for guns to be harmless and even beneficial. I think most anti-gun Democrats just don't know a lot of law-abiding gun owners and therefore assume that guns are used mainly for crime.

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    It seems to me that a majority of persons have a belief that the "government" is an inherently good thing without question. It is not. I don't know why such a large amount of people are so believing they are entitled to power but most of them are in government. A government that is prone to provide money and services to it's people as leverage is a government abusing its power. Top that off with a government that is very successful in spinning that into a positive thing for the people is also abusing it's power. To what means I don't know. I personally have no desire for power, position nor money so it is a mentality I do not nor wish to understand. If a government is simply wishing rule without empowering it's people is not a government I'm in support of.
    I also have been further educated myself during my stay here on O/R. I have already expressed my appreciation to the people that have assisted me in that. However my education truly began when I started my LEO career. I have seen first hand the ignorance of the people to whom I am in service to. Commonsense situations that some people just desire to be blind to. Assist those people in their desire to be blind, assure them their behavior is ok, and you have become a friend to that person and they feel obligated and or encouraged to support you. Put a positive spin on someones social problem, smile, and throw some money their way and it's a done deal. I know. I've seen it. It's the reason I'm not running for any other public office myself.
    Please note that up until now I have not named any party as being completely responsible for this. However I will state the following. I cannot and will not support any party, such as the Democratic party, that openly does not take steps to empower their people. Instead they are actually oppressing their people with programs, bills and laws that are specifically designed to oppress by throwing money at it. And they are taking the rest of us with them. Hmmm....my journey to the other side must be complete.
    Among other things the first priority of any governmental representation should be to desire to have it's people LEGALLY armed. In no way does this not make sense. People will kill people. It has been this way since the beginning of time and guns were not present. Concentrate on removing the ILLEGALLY possessed firearms and you won't have to worry about the legal ones. If a person is allowed to have power and they abuse it, punish that person not the ones who have not abused it.
    And Hannibal I also agree that political discussion need not be a brow beating or mudslinging situation. Such behavior does not give a proper stage for discussion. It discourages the participation of persons who have a different view point. Had I not listened to different view points I may have very well remained under my former opinions. I believe I can disagree without a heavy hand.
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    I'm equally afraid of the far right as I am the far left. Both want to impose their will on you and neither care about your individual rights. In fact, it appears to me the extremes form a circle to where they meet and their ideas are much the same.

    The far left wants to stop any criticism and hates free speech. The far right has no problem wiretapping your phone at the slightest whim with no court oversight in the name of law and order. If you look at Germany under Hitler (the far right) and the USSR under Stalin ( the far left), what was the real difference when it came to individual rights as opposed to the state's?

    Unfortunately, the far left faction has taken over the Democratic Party. That started with LBJ and has continued. The far right has a significant voice in the Republican party, but I think reasonable heads still prevail. But when people like Nancy Pelosi gets elected Speaker, that scares me. Gingrich was right wing, but he was a reasonable person, she's not.

    What has saved our nation in the past, and I hope will in the future is that most Americans are pretty much down the middle of the road. Unfortunately, the extremes carry enough weight on both sides that no moderate candidate can be elected. That's why we've continually swung from left to right in administrations over the decades.

    And let's not forget the money angle either. If a politician really wants to raise money fast, all they have to do is take a strong stance either for or against either gun control or abortion.
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    Wow, some thoughtful responses.

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    When it comes to politics, I'm a simple man.

    "Democrat" comes from "Democracy". Democracy, in the simplest terms, is mob rule.

    Why are Democrats for any of the principles they stand for? Because most of them believe it's right. Like MacLean said, contrary to what they may tell you, it's not for an individuals' rights- it's for what they think is best for you.

    Now before Republicans start chiming with a "hell yeah!", I'll be the first to say that often times they are guilty of doing the same thing, but most of them believe something else.

    However, Republicans (and I mean true Republicans) are more for an invidual's rights. That's why it infurates me to no end when they try and insert their religion into politics. Thankfully this doesn't happen at the Federal level as much as it used to, but it sure does down at our state and local level down here.

    I agree with Brad's position completely that the party system in this country needs to be elminated. Political parties are nothing more than gangs of old people. The only difference between them and street gangs, is that street gangs are more honest- at least the street gang member will admit he's robbing you blind for his own personal gain. A politician isn't so considerate.
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    Maybe we should start a Pro-Choice group for guns?
    Pleasing nobody, one person at a time.

    That which does not kill me, better start fucking running.

    If I lived every day like it was my last, the body count would be staggering.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Xiphos View Post
    Maybe we should start a Pro-Choice group for guns?
    I'm in.

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    Quote Originally Posted by maclean View Post
    Damn, there you go asking the tough questions again!

    The Democratic party is not for individual rights. That should clear up an issues you have.
    I like simple answers. You get rep for that one.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Retdetsgt View Post
    I'm equally afraid of the far right as I am the far left. Both want to impose their will on you and neither care about your individual rights.
    Btw, I happen to agree with this as far a group goes not individual persons. Good call RDS.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rhino View Post
    I agree with Brad's position completely that the party system in this country needs to be elminated. Political parties are nothing more than gangs of old people.
    Not going to happen. People in business use money as a marker of success. I mean, really, does a CEO making $280 million live better than one only making $150 million?

    Government doesn't pay that kind of money so people in government use power as a gauge of success. Who else is going to run for president just to make a few hundred thousand and some perks? Or even Congress? Sometimes they make a lot off of side deals, but it's the power that draws them. I see the same in city government, even my police dept. I was acting Lt for a while and learned real quick what the goal was of the command staff and it had nothing to do with helping cops do their job. It was all about glory and power.

    Any nation other than a dictatorship has political parties, it's the nature of the beast. People who more or less think the same way band together to form an alliance, e.g. a political party. There are always people disgruntled with any system, but the vast majority of people are fine with it.

    Ross Perot was a class example. Here's a guy who ran on the ticket of actually doing something about the debt., etc. and probably could have done a pretty good job. The American people wanted nothing to do with him.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Retdetsgt View Post
    Not going to happen.
    I also want to poop gold, but that's not going to happen either. Doesn't mean I can't dream, though.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jenna View Post
    The Democratic Party's anti-gun stance is based on a combination of culture and principles.

    Sorry ma'am, but that is horseshit and ignores history.

    The Democratic party would have had no more to do with gun control than any other party in this country until Kennedy was shot and folks saw the rising tide of armed insurrection at the hands of folks like the panthers, the weathermen, et al.

    In fact, you could say the left was responsible for the very thing that scared people into the GCA of 1968.

    Until the fair haired boy got whacked and before armed black men were meeting in coffee shops, any "D" that proposed gun control would have been branded a communist and run out of Washington on a rail.

    Washington State was one of the first states to profer a concealed weapons license, directly in response to the Black Panthers hanging around wearing guns.

    Principles? Culture? Horseshit.

    You've been smelling rarified air.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Xiphos View Post
    Maybe we should start a Pro-Choice group for guns?
    We have one, and everyone who feels this way should be a member.
    I'm your huckleberry...

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    Quote Originally Posted by maclean View Post
    Sorry ma'am, but that is horseshit and ignores history.

    The Democratic party would have had no more to do with gun control than any other party in this country until Kennedy was shot and folks saw the rising tide of armed insurrection at the hands of folks like the panthers, the weathermen, et al.

    In fact, you could say the left was responsible for the very thing that scared people into the GCA of 1968.

    Until the fair haired boy got whacked and before armed black men were meeting in coffee shops, any "D" that proposed gun control would have been branded a communist and run out of Washington on a rail.

    Washington State was one of the first states to profer a concealed weapons license, directly in response to the Black Panthers hanging around wearing guns.

    Principles? Culture? Horseshit.

    You've been smelling rarified air.
    That may well have had something to do with the historical origins of the Democratic Party's anti-gun stance, but the Democratic Party of the 1960s was very different from what it is today--it had a very different culture and in fact was supported by many of the states that are now considered hardcore Republican red states. My explanation is about the culture and principles of most of today's Democrats, which are very different from those of most Democrats of the 1960s.

    This was the electoral map that gave us President John F. Kennedy. How times have changed!


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    Quote Originally Posted by Hannibal View Post
    Please excuse me for a moment while I rant about something that is bothering me.

    As a group, the Democratic Party claims that they are for individual rights. They believe in things like the right of a woman to be pro-choice, or stem cell research based on one's right to find cures for diseases, etc. Generally speaking, Democrats seem to have a pro-choice approach on most issues, and most believe that the government should take more of a hands-off approach (less government) and let the people manage their rights to make choices for themselves. Am I right?

    So, why is it that, as a group, the Democratic Party seems to always have an agenda against our right to bear arms? I thought I was supposed to be the 'conservative' one. What is it that makes the Democratic Party so against my right to purchase a gun with a 30 round magazine, or a bayonet lug? Really, as long as I am responsible with my guns and follow the laws already on the books, what's the big deal?

    If President Obama and his administration reinstate a weapons ban, wouldn't it be ironic since they (the Democrats) are going against what they claim to stand for: individual rights, and the right to choose?

    Can anyone explain this to me? I would love to have this discussion.

    PLEASE, lets not get into a mudslinging contest or Dems vs. Reps discussion, I am just curious to find out if anyone can give me a logical explaination for this little observation of mine. Am I not correct in my observation? Please let me know.

    / Rant off.


    I can easily answer that... Because we Democrats don't want government controlling everything like stem cell etc... unless it's something we disagree with, like gun control, then we want the government to step in and GET RID OF THEM!!!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jenna View Post
    My explanation is about the culture and principles of most of today's Democrats, which are very different from those of most Democrats of the 1960s.
    Given recent polling results about the second amendment - nerly 70% support if you missed it - I don't think your explanation holds water, even with your caveat about timing.

    The Democratic party does not want you to have your guns, because they are afraid they cannot accomplish their agenda if you are armed.

    It cannot be made any more simple than that.
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