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    Hillary Clinton: U.S. to blame for much of Mexico violence

    MEXICO CITY (Reuters) - An "insatiable" appetite in the United States for illegal drugs is to blame for much of the violence ripping through Mexico, U.S. Secretary of State Hillary Clinton said on Wednesday.
    Clinton acknowledged the U.S. role in Mexico's vicious drug war as she arrived in Mexico for a two-day visit where she discussed U.S. plans to ramp up security on the border with President Felipe Calderon.
    A surge in drug gang killings to 6,300 last year and fears the violence could seep over the border has put Mexico's drug war high on President Barack Obama's agenda, after years of Mexico feeling that Washington was neglecting a joint problem.
    "Our insatiable demand for illegal drugs fuels the drug trade. Our inability to prevent weapons from being illegally smuggled across the border to arm these criminals causes the death of police officers, soldiers and civilians," Clinton told reporters during her flight to Mexico City.
    "I feel very strongly we have a co-responsibility."
    Clinton said the Obama administration strongly backed Mexico in its fight with the drug cartels and vowed the United States would try to speed up the transfer of drug-fighting equipment promised under a 2007 agreement.
    "We will stand shoulder-to-shoulder with you ... Our relationship is far greater than any threat," Clinton said at a news conference in Mexico City.
    Crushing the drug cartels, who arm themselves with smuggled U.S. weapons and leave slain rivals, sometimes beheaded, in public streets, has become the biggest test of Calderon's presidency as the bloodshed rattles investors and tourists.
    Washington plans to ramp up border security with a $184 million program to add 360 security agents to border posts and step up searches for smuggled drugs, guns and cash.
    The Obama administration will spend $725 million to modernize border crossings and provide about $80 million to help Mexico purchase Black Hawk helicopters, Clinton said.
    It was unclear whether this would be new money from the United States or whether the Obama administration had already requested the funds from Congress.
    In Washington, Senator Joseph Lieberman said Obama's plans were not enough and he would seek $385 million more from Congress to pay for 1,600 more Customs and Border Patrol agents and bolster law enforcement centers in border areas.
    "The danger here is clear and present. It threatens to get worse," Lieberman said.
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    Clinton will use her visit to address a trucking dispute with Mexico and long-running trade and immigration issues.
    She said the trading partners were making headway on a spat which saw Mexico slam high tariffs on an estimated $2.4 billion worth of U.S. goods after the U.S. Congress ended a pilot program to let Mexican trucks operate in the United States.
    "On the trucking dispute, we are working to try to resolve it. We are making progress," she said, adding that she expects Congress will be receptive to the administration's ideas.
    Clinton, whose includes a stop in the northern business city of Monterrey on Thursday, said the thorny issues on the table did not mean that U.S.-Mexico relations were in trouble.
    "I don't see it that way," she said. "I think that we have some specific challenges ... but every relationship has challenges in it."
    Mexico has felt slighted by a delay in the arrival of drug-fighting equipment pledged by former President George W. Bush, as U.S. officials have sought assurances that the aid would not end up in the hands of corrupt officials or police.
    The U.S. Congress this month trimmed the amount of drug aid money it will set aside this fiscal year to $300 million from $400 million last year, under a pledge of $1.4 billion to Mexico and Central America over three years.
    Since taking office in December 2006, Calderon has spent more than $6.4 billion on his drug war and sent 45,000 troops and federal police to trouble spots around the country.
    Mexico has repeatedly said, however, that its efforts will come to nothing if the United States does not clamp down on the smuggling of U.S. guns used in 90 percent of drug crimes south of the border.
    Clinton described the violence Mexico is grappling with as "horrendous" and said cartels were alarmingly well equipped.
    "It's not only guns. It's night vision goggles. It's body armor. These criminals are outgunning the law enforcement officials," she said. "When you go into a gun fight, where you are trying to round up bad guys and they have ... military style equipment that is much better than yours, you start out at a disadvantage."

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    It's diplo speak for - we have to say it's our fault so we can give them the aid they won't actually use anyway to solve the problem.
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    Funny how all that equipment, training, guns and ammunition we've given them over the years has come back against us . . .

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    We are a lot of the problem, but it has little to do with guns. We're a drug using society that uses it to hide from reality. I was watching a show on Discovery Channel last night that said at least 32 million people in this country use cocaine. I suspect meth is way up there too. We're the primary market for illegal drugs.
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    If the Drug Cartels did not get the guns from the U.S. then they would get them from other countries. It's not like Venezuela would hold out on giving guns to the Cartels to use against us.

    But since it's our fault, I guess we should just station troops on the border to prevent the flow of guns into that country, and the flow of drugs and illegals into ours.
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    So based on our current administration we need to send troops to the border and try to stop the flow of drugs into the country, money and guns from exiting the country. But its unpatriotic to do anything about illegals in this country???


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    Quote Originally Posted by Retdetsgt View Post
    I was watching a show on Discovery Channel last night that said at least 32 million people in this country use cocaine.
    There they go blaming Bush again, even though his snorting days are over.

    I guess they could solve the problem by applying my solution for Iraq's insurgents: Close the border and shoot anyone slipping through, using air patrols. Even the drug cartels might have a problem selling drugs here then.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Retdetsgt View Post
    I was watching a show on Discovery Channel last night that said at least 32 million people in this country use cocaine.
    Interesting stat
    That is like better then 10% of the population

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    Quote Originally Posted by Caveman View Post
    Interesting stat
    That is like better then 10% of the population
    I wouldn't be surprised at it. There's a hell of a lot of cocaine use in Portland. When I worked dope, we were busting dealers all throughout the city. And I doubt we made a dent in the trade. In some areas of our lives, we see the underbelly of society, but in our personal lives, we're pretty removed from the the average person that uses drugs recreationally. We don't run into them at work and we don't associate with them off duty. There's a big population we rarely have contact with because of our occupation.

    And of course, not everyone who uses drugs are addicts anymore than everyone who drinks is an alcoholic.
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    A significant portion of the guns being used by the drug gangs are Mexican military weapons. We may have sold them to the Mexican Government but their cops and military are as corrupt as you could possibly imagine and in many cases are wholly owned subsidieries of the cartels.

    Retdetsgt is right....we are a drug using society and in that sense, we are at fault. But NOTHING wil work to fix the problem until the Mexican culture can clean itself up.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Car 4 View Post

    But NOTHING wil work to fix the problem until the Mexican culture can clean itself up.

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    I don't think that will matter that much in the long run. The demand is so high, it'll come in some other way. Now Mexico is the easiest route, but before Mexico, there was Thailand and China. As long as there is the kind of market the US is giving the world, they'll find a supplier. It would be nice to eliminate the violence on our borders though.
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    For once I have to say that I agree with Hilary Clinton...

    in saying that the U.S. has an insatiable appetite for illicit drugs, she must have included her husband (who didn't inhale), and the current president.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Car 4 View Post
    A significant portion of the guns being used by the drug gangs are Mexican military weapons. We may have sold them to the Mexican Government but their cops and military are as corrupt as you could possibly imagine and in many cases are wholly owned subsidiaries of the cartels.

    Retdetsgt is right....we are a drug using society and in that sense, we are at fault. But NOTHING will work to fix the problem until the Mexican culture can clean itself up.

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    Are they even capable or interested in doing that? The only thing I am seeing is they are trying to bring us down to their level of living.


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    Quote Originally Posted by CTR man View Post
    Are they even capable or interested in doing that?
    I can't imagine why they would want to stop an industry that's bringing billions of dollars down to their economy. I suspect drugs are in at least the top three of their most lucrative exports.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Retdetsgt View Post
    I can't imagine why they would want to stop an industry that's bringing billions of dollars down to their economy. I suspect drugs are in at least the top three of their most lucrative exports.
    I suspect you're right.


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    Yeah, Mexican piñatas can't be much of a cash export for them, except the piñatas stuffed full of drugs.


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    Think maybe some of the millions of illegals entering this country ever year from Mexico might be might be engaged in smuggling? I don't think the drugs , money and guns are going back and forth across the border by themselves.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Captain America View Post
    Think maybe some of the millions of illegals entering this country ever year from Mexico might be might be engaged in smuggling? I don't think the drugs , money and guns are going back and forth across the border by themselves.
    If only we'd take (or had taken) enforcement of immigration seriously, the 13 plus million here could make a tremendous difference in making Mexico a better place...

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    Quote Originally Posted by countybear View Post
    If only we'd take (or had taken) enforcement of immigration seriously, the 13 plus million here could make a tremendous difference in making Mexico a better place...
    No administration, Republican or Democrat has taken it seriously in my lifetime, at least.

    Even Bush worried more about old ladies in Airports than he did the Mexican border. Someone could have done something a long time ago if they'd chosen to.
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