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    Former pirate hostage blasts Rush Limbaugh for mocking President Obama by calling three, sniper-picked-off pirates "black teenagers."

    SEEKONK, Mass. -- Shane Murphy, the second-in-command aboard the American merchant ship seized by pirates, lashed out at Rush Limbaugh for the talk show host's racial characterization in discussing the rescue of the ship's captain by the Navy.
    Murphy, who returned to his Seekonk, Mass., home Friday, called Limbaugh a purveyor of "hate speech."
    In commenting on the rescue of Capt. Richard Phillips by the Navy Seals who shot and killed the three Somali pirates who were holding him captive, Limbaugh generated controversy when he called the pirates "black teenagers.""There you have it, three teenagers shot on the high seas at the order of President Obama," said Limbaugh according to a transcript of an April 14 broadcast on his Web site."Just imagine the hue and cry had a Republican president ordered the shooting of black teenagers on the high seas," Limbaugh said.Murphy said Limbaugh's remarks were unacceptable."It feels great to be home," Murphy said. "With the exception of Rush Limbaugh who is trying to make this into a race issue. It's disgusting.""The president did the right thing. It's a war. It's about good versus evil. And what you (Limbaugh) said is evil, that is hate speech. I won't tolerate it," Murphy said.
    Murphy said he and his family have had a difficult time since his release and return to the United States. The intense public attention on the rescue of the crew of the Maersk Alabama has made adjustment to a normal family life difficult, he said."We have not been left alone. We have not been allowed to go out and even do routine things," Murphy said.Murphy, who took command of the ship after Phillips was taken hostage, said he and his family are trying to get through it all.

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    He said it that way just to piss of the left and said he was doing so just for that reason. He was making a point of the fact that the no one wants to call pirates terrorists.

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    It's still bullshit. No one would have chastised Bush for doing the same thing just because the pirates were young.

    Limbaugh has always talked big for someone who's never been in harm's way.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Retdetsgt View Post
    It's still bullshit. No one would have chastised Bush for doing the same thing just because the pirates were young.

    Limbaugh has always talked big for someone who's never been in harm's way.
    Correction RDS, no conservative would have chastised Bush. The Dixie Chicks would have probably been ashamed again......... Limbaugh gets on my nerves sometimes when he gets obviously partisan and hypocritical which he is prone to do. That pisses me off just as bad as when liberals pull the same crap.
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    I believe I see Mr. Limbaugh's point...

    When on an American street, a 19 year old gangbanger blows a cop away and he's a troubled teenager who becomes some kind of 'folk hero' to his contemporaries, the leftist radicals, and the brainless members of the screen actor's guild. Even the asshole in Oakland who shot four cops was thrown a vigil by the United I Hate White America Union.

    The mass murderers in Gitmo are no longer 'terrorists', or 'enemy combatants', either. Now, we're wanting to imprison their 'oppressors'...

    The media shows this 18 year old dickhead pirate from Somalia on the TV and remarks that he's nothing but a kid. They paint him like some poor hapless simpleton just along for the ride... "and now he has no friends because Obama ordered them blown away by the evil SEALS."

    Well, good for the goose? Bush ordered up a long dose of ass-kicking in Iraq and Afghanistan, kept us safe for 8 years, and he's some kind of villain now...

    "Oh, he's crying in court, the poor dear..." "These Somalians are fighting for their lives, they are starving in that country!"

    America cannot be 'right', even when it defends its people from aggression overseas. We're worried about dumping water on terrorists heads, while they cut off the heads of their captives. But, we have to let them go and jail our very own defenders. We have to apologize on tour.

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    Quote Originally Posted by countybear View Post
    I believe I see Mr. Limbaugh's point...

    When on an American street, a 19 year old gangbanger blows a cop away and he's a troubled teenager who becomes some kind of 'folk hero' to his contemporaries, the leftist radicals, and the brainless members of the screen actor's guild. Even the asshole in Oakland who shot four cops was thrown a vigil by the United I Hate White America Union.

    The mass murderers in Gitmo are no longer 'terrorists', or 'enemy combatants', either. Now, we're wanting to imprison their 'oppressors'...

    The media shows this 18 year old dickhead pirate from Somalia on the TV and remarks that he's nothing but a kid. They paint him like some poor hapless simpleton just along for the ride... "and now he has no friends because Obama ordered them blown away by the evil SEALS."

    Well, good for the goose? Bush ordered up a long dose of ass-kicking in Iraq and Afghanistan, kept us safe for 8 years, and he's some kind of villain now...

    "Oh, he's crying in court, the poor dear..." "These Somalians are fighting for their lives, they are starving in that country!"

    America cannot be 'right', even when it defends its people from aggression overseas. We're worried about dumping water on terrorists heads, while they cut off the heads of their captives. But, we have to let them go and jail our very own defenders. We have to apologize on tour.
    CB, your better at being Limbaugh than Limbaugh.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Captain America View Post
    Correction RDS, no conservative would have chastised Bush. The Dixie Chicks would have probably been ashamed again......... Limbaugh gets on my nerves sometimes when he gets obviously partisan and hypocritical which he is prone to do. That pisses me off just as bad as when liberals pull the same crap.
    I still don't think the country, liberal or anyone else would have been upset at Bush for saving the life of that American captain. I also don't think that Limbaugh should have characterized the pirates as just black teenagers either. That seaman has every right to be pissed. Nobody was pointing a gun at Limbaugh sitting in his million dollar house.

    The only people I've read about calling this kid some sort of victim is his defense lawyers. I've yet to hear even the most liberal politician defend him.

    I lost it when Limbaugh said he wanted Obama to fail. I'm no fan of Obama either, but it pisses me off that he sits on his fat ass wanting people to lose jobs so he can be right and make even more money. I don't think Obama will suceed either, but unlike him, I hate to see people suffer for it. Just because he's conservative doesn't mean he's not a prick.

    I don't like the liberal media, the people defending the cop killer, etc. But I don't see the same thing happening here. I don't believe Limbaugh does much good for the conservative causes when he shoot his mouth off like that.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Retdetsgt View Post

    I lost it when Limbaugh said he wanted Obama to fail. I'm no fan of Obama either, but it pisses me off that he sits on his fat ass wanting people to lose jobs so he can be right and make even more money. I don't think Obama will suceed either, but unlike him, I hate to see people suffer for it. Just because he's conservative doesn't mean he's not a prick.

    I don't like the liberal media, the people defending the cop killer, etc. But I don't see the same thing happening here. I don't believe Limbaugh does much good for the conservative causes when he shoot his mouth off like that.
    I 'm in total agreement with you on the above points , however; I do believe that the Democratic leadership in Congress and the liberal media would have had some complaint if Bush was still the President and not Obama during this incident. Hell , their trying to prosecute members of his administration for waterboarding , what do you think they would have to say about the melon popping in this high profile situation?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Retdetsgt View Post
    I still don't think the country, liberal or anyone else would have been upset at Bush for saving the life of that American captain.
    I would have never thought that Khalid Sheikh Mohammad would become the darling of the American press either, but its happened. He's the poster-child of 'waterboarding', claimed by Olbermann to be a 'victim' of US 'torture', when in fact, the man is principally responsible for over 3,000 American civilian deaths.

    I also don't think that Limbaugh should have characterized the pirates as just black teenagers either. That seaman has every right to be pissed. Nobody was pointing a gun at Limbaugh sitting in his million dollar house.
    No one was 'pointing' a gun at occupants of the World Trade Center, either. They pointed two commercial airliners at them. The truth about the randomness of heinous international crime (such as terrorism, and piracy), is that we are ALL potential victims, not because we carry guns and 'go into harm's way', but because of what we either believe in, or refuse to believe in. Limbaugh is entitled to his views, just as you and I are, and we don't earn that right by fighting for them personally, we earn that right because of our citizenship, and because of others who have done so.

    So, since I've been shot at before, and that (by your summation) is required for me to have a say: I'll say it:

    Obama authorized force which resulted in the killing of three black teenagers, and thank God that the SEALS are the professional warriors that they are, because they saved the life of an American innocent by flawlessly executing their duties. Anyone who now, or in the future, feels the slightest remorse over it can go fornicate themselves. The captured black Somalian teenager should be waterboarded into a full confession then hanged by the testicles in the center of Mogadishu, where he should be beaten by the families of the 19 servicemen killed there in October, 1993 like a pinata until his entrails fall around his neck and strangle him.

    Then, the US Navy should blockade the coast of Somalia and disintegrate everything launched from their port smaller than a destroyer escort.

    Better?

    The only people I've read about calling this kid some sort of victim is his defense lawyers. I've yet to hear even the most liberal politician defend him.
    Give them time.

    I lost it when Limbaugh said he wanted Obama to fail. I'm no fan of Obama either, but it pisses me off that he sits on his fat ass wanting people to lose jobs so he can be right and make even more money.
    Limbaugh's point was that Obama's guiding principles, big government Socialism must, and will fail in America. If it were to succeed as Obama hopes and diligently endeavors to accomplish, America itself will cease to be what it was designed to be. If you cannot realize that, then you reside in the darkness that currently pervades here.

    I don't think Obama will suceed either, but unlike him, I hate to see people suffer for it. Just because he's conservative doesn't mean he's not a prick.
    Unless we suffer for it as a nation, we will not learn the folly of voting for such lunacy in the future. I hope and pray for the failure of anyone who espouses fleecing the American worker through oppressive taxes, seizure of private wealth for public dissemination, further destruction of the middle class, denial of the law abiding American from owning firearms, government-funded abortions, fat entitlement programs, government intrusion into the free market economy, and the dismantling of our means of defense in a world more dangerous than ever. I fervently pray he fails.

    I don't like the liberal media, the people defending the cop killer, etc. But I don't see the same thing happening here. I don't believe Limbaugh does much good for the conservative causes when he shoot his mouth off like that.
    He has been attacked repeatedly by the left, because as unfortunate as it is, he (and a few like him) are the only clear voices we hear for conservative principles. If he weren't "shooting his mouth off", the silence of the right would be deafening. Where are our champions? They are scattered and adrift, afraid of their own shadow; cowering behind the coat-tails of men like Hannity and Limbaugh, and letting them take the heat for saying what needs to be said.

    You are angry at Limbaugh because of his 'word choices'? Why not be angry at the overt acts of one faction in this country to literally destroy it?

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    Quote Originally Posted by countybear View Post


    No one was 'pointing' a gun at occupants of the World Trade Center, either. They pointed two commercial airliners at them. The truth about the randomness of heinous international crime (such as terrorism, and piracy), is that we are ALL potential victims, not because we carry guns and 'go into harm's way', but because of what we either believe in, or refuse to believe in. Limbaugh is entitled to his views, just as you and I are, and we don't earn that right by fighting for them personally, we earn that right because of our citizenship, and because of others who have done so.
    It's also easy to minimize someone when they aren't a direct threat to you. Like Limbaugh and the "black teenagers".


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    Obama authorized force which resulted in the killing of three black teenagers, and thank God that the SEALS are the professional warriors that they are, because they saved the life of an American innocent by flawlessly executing their duties. Anyone who now, or in the future, feels the slightest remorse over it can go fornicate themselves. The captured black Somalian teenager should be waterboarded into a full confession then hanged by the testicles in the center of Mogadishu, where he should be beaten by the families of the 19 servicemen killed there in October, 1993 like a pinata until his entrails fall around his neck and strangle him.

    Then, the US Navy should blockade the coast of Somalia and disintegrate everything launched from their port smaller than a destroyer escort.

    Better?
    I hope that made you feel better. It had nothing to do with anything I posted. I wasn't defending the pirates.

    Quote Originally Posted by countybear View Post
    Limbaugh's point was that Obama's guiding principles, big government Socialism must, and will fail in America. If it were to succeed as Obama hopes and diligently endeavors to accomplish, America itself will cease to be what it was designed to be. If you cannot realize that, then you reside in the darkness that currently pervades here.


    Unless we suffer for it as a nation, we will not learn the folly of voting for such lunacy in the future. I hope and pray for the failure of anyone who espouses fleecing the American worker through oppressive taxes, seizure of private wealth for public dissemination, further destruction of the middle class, denial of the law abiding American from owning firearms, government-funded abortions, fat entitlement programs, government intrusion into the free market economy, and the dismantling of our means of defense in a world more dangerous than ever. I fervently pray he fails.
    Tough talk from a guy with a job and a steady paycheck. Join all the unemployed for a few months and talk about we should all suffer. So much for compassionate conservatives...... Personally, I hate to see anyone lose their job, but to each his own, I guess. Obama's going to fail, I just hope the damage is minimal. You guys act like you're the first ones to ever experience anyone like him. I lived LBJ, Nixon and Carter. They were all train wrecks. Unless you're in your late forties, you haven't really felt runaway inflation that their social and welfare policies gave us. I don't need a lesson from you or anyone else on the pitfalls of socialism. I was an adult dealing with double digit inflation, mortgage interest, etc. I suspect the socialism of the late 60's and the 70's was worse than Obama's going to be able to pull off.


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    You are angry at Limbaugh because of his 'word choices'? Why not be angry at the overt acts of one faction in this country to literally destroy it?
    Who said I wasn't. At least I can be a conservative and not blinded by one extremist group. Personally, I like O'Reilly, he's conservative and make sense.
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    Personally, I like O'Reilly, he's conservative and make sense.



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    Quote Originally Posted by Terminator View Post
    I like him even better now.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Retdetsgt View Post
    I like him even better now.

    It's my favorite YouTube video EVER.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Terminator View Post
    It's my favorite YouTube video EVER.
    I admire anyone who doesn't suffer idiots. Nice haircut he had back then too!

    I like the way he challenges people with facts, not rhetoric.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Retdetsgt View Post
    It's also easy to minimize someone when they aren't a direct threat to you. Like Limbaugh and the "black teenagers".
    The point wasn't minimalism, the point was 'entitlement to opinion'. Sorry you missed it.


    I hope that made you feel better. It had nothing to do with anything I posted. I wasn't defending the pirates.
    No, you were defending a president from a talkshow host, which is just as incredible.

    Tough talk from a guy with a job and a steady paycheck. Join all the unemployed for a few months and talk about we should all suffer. So much for compassionate conservatives......
    I have a job and a steady paycheck now, but I've gone as much as 9 months straight without those in the past (under Clinton, actually). I made it because I didn't cop out and quit pushing and grinding it out to survive. I supported a family by doing every odd job I could find, hustling pool, and lumping up part-times into what equalled just less than one full-time job. I didn't ask for compassion or handouts then, I just busted my ass and made it best I could.

    Don't squeeze out some pity party for the down-trodden with me, I've lived in a borrowed car before. Compassion is deserved when failure is a setback and not a lifestyle. If the president you wish to defend has his way, we'll all be beholden to, (and indentured by) the system, anyway.

    Personally, I hate to see anyone lose their job, but to each his own, I guess. Obama's going to fail, I just hope the damage is minimal.
    We agree on Obama's impending failure. Where we differ is that I hope his failure is monumental, and not cursory. Only through a monumental failure will we be left with the lasting lesson that we obviously need to ensure that we never elect another socialist as CEO of this country.

    You guys act like you're the first ones to ever experience anyone like him. I lived LBJ, Nixon and Carter. They were all train wrecks. Unless you're in your late forties, you haven't really felt runaway inflation that their social and welfare policies gave us. I don't need a lesson from you or anyone else on the pitfalls of socialism. I was an adult dealing with double digit inflation, mortgage interest, etc.
    I'm in my early forties, not late. Still old enough (especially being the son of a nationally noted politician, myself) to have seen at least the Carter and Clinton eras firsthand, and from behind the scenes somewhat, no less. I have yet to see any of them nearly as purely radical as this administration, surrounded by as many of that ilk, or as influenced by socialist ideals. If you aren't in fear of what this country pangs to become under such rule, you should be. The current course for this administration, in both houses of Congress, and the presidency, is a collision course with a destiny we feign to imagine, and one that I believe we must experience in order for this nation to return to its defining values.

    Right now, we are seeing massive polarization of the political schools of thought. Soon, that polarization may take on greater activism and mobilize the silent majority into re-capturing this nation for those who value it, love it, will defend it, and aren't apologetic about it.

    As a great President of our era once said, "I don't believe in a government that protects us from ourselves."

    Who said I wasn't. At least I can be a conservative and not blinded by one extremist group.
    No, you would rather be blinded by the hype, the smoke, and the mirrors, evidently.

    Limbaugh makes statements that reflect core values with an edge of sarchasm that intentionally strikes at sensitivities to provoke thought. Taking him literally is what the libs want done, but his conveyance of a deeper meaning is the ultimate goal, and one that begs the challenge of really understanding what is being said. Failure to realize that, is abject failure to comprehend the full breadth of his meaning.

    Personally, I like O'Reilly, he's conservative and make sense.
    I don't dislike O'Reilly, but I find him shallow at times. He has poor debating skills and tends to lose his candor too easily.

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    They're black, and I think those were teenagers, so what's the obection again?

    The eye of the beholder is F'd up when they think describing someone in a factual way is somehow racist, but I think it's expecting too much to not have someone upset over it - And it's probably also factual that if George Bush had given the order, the same people would be wringing their hands over killing poor young black kids.

    Screw Murphy, he can go ride another boat to Somlia for all I care. He and his crew should have been armed anyway in a place like that, no matter what the local laws are. If the countries don't like it, then as far as I'm concerned, just boycott their ports.

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    Quote Originally Posted by countybear View Post

    No, you were defending a president from a talkshow host, which is just as incredible.
    Show me one quote where I defended Obama. Boy, you really view the world as black and white, huh? You see not buying all of Limbaugh's bullshit as defending Obama?

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    No, you would rather be blinded by the hype, the smoke, and the mirrors, evidently.

    Limbaugh makes statements that reflect core values with an edge of sarchasm that intentionally strikes at sensitivities to provoke thought. Taking him literally is what the libs want done, but his conveyance of a deeper meaning is the ultimate goal, and one that begs the challenge of really understanding what is being said. Failure to realize that, is abject failure to comprehend the full breadth of his meaning.
    Not worshiping at the altar of Limbaugh isn't being blinded by smoke and mirrors. In fact, smoke and mirrors are exactly what Limbaugh produces by hyped rhetoric. He projects HIS core values, not everyone elses including a lot of conservatives.

    I've been w/o work too and had to do the same thing. I just hate to see anyone else have to do it to prove a principle. That's our difference.
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    Quote Originally Posted by countybear View Post

    I'm in my early forties, not late. Still old enough (especially being the son of a nationally noted politician, myself) to have seen at least the Carter and Clinton eras firsthand, and from behind the scenes somewhat, no less. I have yet to see any of them nearly as purely radical as this administration, surrounded by as many of that ilk, or as influenced by socialist ideals. If you aren't in fear of what this country pangs to become under such rule, you should be. The current course for this administration, in both houses of Congress, and the presidency, is a collision course with a destiny we feign to imagine, and one that I believe we must experience in order for this nation to return to its defining values.
    I had to take off for a minute, but I wanted to come back and address this.

    My first hand view of it was as a dumbass cop trying to hack out a living with double digit inflation. Every year I was getting 6 to 8% raises that weren't keeping up. I recall being elated at getting a mortgage for 8% APR.

    This welfare mentality started with LBJ and his Great Society. It was perpetuated by Nixon who rubberstamped every spending bill the Democratic Congress passed. It seemed that everybody and their dog was on some kind of welfare except for me and a few others. Nixon's administration even gave my dept several million dollars to piss away and they did just that. Ford kind of tried to rein them in, but couldn't do much. When Carter took over it was really horrible, both domestically and in foreign policy.

    Clinton was more of a opportunist than a liberal. A lot of liberals didn't even like him.

    Again, I never said that I didn't fear what Obama was going to do, what I'm trying to say is we've survived worse.
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    The eye of the beholder is F'd up when they think describing someone in a factual way is somehow racist, but I think it's expecting too much to not have someone upset over it - And it's probably also factual that if George Bush had given the order, the same people would be wringing their hands over killing poor young black kids.

    Screw Murphy, he can go ride another boat to Somlia for all I care. He and his crew should have been armed anyway in a place like that, no matter what the local laws are. If the countries don't like it, then as far as I'm concerned, just boycott their ports.
    Personally, I think the American people would have been pissed if Bush hadn't given the order. Why are you guys so worried about what liberals think? They aren't the backbone of this country.

    Unless you have better information, I don't think Murphy and the crew were allowed to have weapons. Blaming them is kind of pointless.
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