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    Birth Certificate Issue

    I'm not one for conspiracy theories but this is interesting. That the military would just completely back down on this without a fight raises some eyebrows...



    WND Exclusive BORN IN THE USA?
    Bombshell: Orders revoked for soldier challenging prez
    Major victory for Army warrior questioning Obama's birthplace
    Posted: July 14, 2009
    9:53 pm Eastern

    Chelsea Schilling and Joe Kovacs
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    Dr. Orly Taitz

    A U.S. Army Reserve major from Florida scheduled to report for deployment to Afghanistan within days has had his military orders revoked after arguing he should not be required to serve under a president who has not proven his eligibility for office.

    His attorney, Orly Taitz, confirmed to WND the military has rescinded his impending deployment orders.

    "We won! We won before we even arrived," she said with excitement. "It means that the military has nothing to show for Obama. It means that the military has directly responded by saying Obama is illegitimate and they cannot fight it. Therefore, they are revoking the order!"

    She continued, "They just said, 'Order revoked.' No explanation. No reasons just revoked."

    A hearing on the questions raised by Maj. Stefan Frederick Cook, an engineer who told WND he wants to serve his country in Afghanistan, was scheduled for July 16 at 9:30 a.m.

    "As an officer in the armed forces of the United States, it is [my] duty to gain clarification on any order we may believe illegal. With that said, if President Obama is found not to be a 'natural-born citizen,' he is not eligible to be commander-in-chief," he told WND only hours after the case was filed.
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    I've been watching some this and for the most part it looks like Obama has spent hundreds of thousands of dollars so he doesn't have to produce the documents.

    Very interesting.

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    Very interesting. Hiding birth records and passport records; classmates in schoools he 'attended' that never knew him. Do we really know WHO he is?

    The conditioned response bow to the Arab king suggests he is not who he claims to be. He and his staff lied about what we all saw on the Spanish video. It is not the only lie he has told, and the US media continues to lie for him too. If the truth comes out, it will likely come from a credible foreign intelligence servcie, or credible foreign news service. Then where will all the witnesses hide?

    Who is this guy? A Manchurian Candidate?
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    This is not a positive event.
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    Apparently the Obama "birth certificate" stories are still around the media. I just heard where his certificate has been questioned by attorney's in federal court. It was quickly dismissed. Several flaws were indicated. The two I remember being reported was the faded state seal of Hawaii, which may have been stamped in the wrong place on the paper. Plus, his race was listed: african american. In the year (if that is correct) he was born, that term was not heard of, therefore his race should have been black. Questions have surfaced how he can obtain a legal passport. For me, I've come to the conclusion, Mr. Obama is untouchable. The American media will not allow negative reports to grow showing him in a less than positive light. My God, the print press has children books about him. This man has been given reign of the country for probably eight years, and the sheep will follow his direction. And who really knows how the military brass feel about their commander-in-chief. The American media won't tell us.
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    I'm not thrilled at the prospect of kicking him out, his backup's no better politically...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Xiphos View Post
    I'm not thrilled at the prospect of kicking him out, his backup's no better politically...
    At this point, I could care less.

    I am not thrilled - no - I am severely disturbed by a military officer refusing orders based on something this thin.

    The United States military is subject to civilian authority, and this is NOT a precedent we want to see set.
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    Quote Originally Posted by maclean View Post
    This is not a positive event.
    As rare as it may be, I disagree with you. I believe it is a positive event. Maybe it won't directly lead to this being solved once and for all, but it's gonna make people who haven't before, start questioning the authenticity of our president. I think this is a step in the right direction and I hope it truly inspires more people to question this.
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    Quote Originally Posted by 213th View Post
    As rare as it may be, I disagree with you. I believe it is a positive event. Maybe it won't directly lead to this being solved once and for all, but it's gonna make people who haven't before, start questioning the authenticity of our president. I think this is a step in the right direction and I hope it truly inspires more people to question this.
    Emotionally, I see your point - and we don't disagree as much as you might think about the root issue.

    That said, think about what might have happened in a WSA or a silo if an officer just decided that NCA wasn't legitimate because of a rumor.

    I think this particular issue wasn't worth disobeying an order.
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    If he's wrong, then it's his neck.

    If he truly believes Obama is not eligible to be President, and obviously be does, then I admire him for sticking his neck out - If he's right, then I think it's a VERY positive event - He is under no moral obligation to obey someone who is not really President, even if he might be under a legal obligation (the burden of proof is probably on the people claiming that Obama was born in Kenya).

    As more and more questions arise, I'm hopeful that Obama Will be forced politically into proving it.

    Also, if it is proven that Obama won the Presidency fraudulently, I have a feeling that we will be seeing a Constitutional Amendment in our future , requiring the candidates to submit proof of eligibility.

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    The sad fact is that it really doesn't matter what is proven considering Barry's citizenship. We're stuck with him, and God forbid that anything happens or we'll be stuck with Joe "the Dumbest Man in the Senate" Biden.
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    Quote Originally Posted by maclean View Post
    Emotionally, I see your point - and we don't disagree as much as you might think about the root issue.

    That said, think about what might have happened in a WSA or a silo if an officer just decided that NCA wasn't legitimate because of a rumor.

    I think this particular issue wasn't worth disobeying an order.
    Oh ok. I would most definetly agree with you on those points.
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    The media isn't enthralled with Joe Biden like they are with Barack Obama. They fawn all over this guy. If he were to be disqualified and Biden took office, he would most likely be through at the end of his 4 years. He surely wouldn't have the same pull with the party, either. This would be huge for the Conservatives were it to happen.

    It holds more weight that this officer challenged his orders now. Would he have accepted orders for one place, then decided to contest them and raise this issue when ordered somewhere "undesirable" according to his standards, there would be a huge uproar over the refusal.

    Of all the service members, the pool of Officers have the group that is wholly college-educated and will most likely be MORE aware of constitutional issues than the enlisted. It HAD to be an officer (or a very senior enlisted member) to challenge the orders for the the charge to have more credibility, as well.

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    The only thing I'm worried about if it does come out that he wasn't eligible is Biden becoming president.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mtaylor View Post
    The only thing I'm worried about if it does come out that he wasn't eligible is Biden becoming president.

    At this point I seriously wonder how it could be any worse.

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    Right. For those who "fear" Biden gaining the Presidency, what specifically is it? He's a horrible speaker; not very popular, actually; and he doesn't outwardly appear to have the type of agenda Obama has. Even if he ran with Obama's current agenda, he doesn't have the savoir-faire to get things pushed through. I think, at the very least, he'd be reticent to do many things because of a general unease of holding the office.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sgt. Slaughter View Post
    Of all the service members, the pool of Officers have the group that is wholly college-educated and will most likely be MORE aware of constitutional issues than the enlisted.
    Been in the service?
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    Quote Originally Posted by maclean View Post
    Been in the service?
    Yup. And I remember as a young enlisted Marine that I knew nothing about and didn't really care about, the Constitution. My mission was to work, follow orders without question, drink alot and get laid.

    I trusted that my chain of command (my Lt. was a VTI alum) knew what they were doing as they passed down orders since they were the educated ones and I had ZERO college education.

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    Wasn't a marine, but our experiences were different.

    I've not had such great discussions elsewhere as I have had with my enlisted peers in the Air Force, and a lot of them were about history and the constitution.
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    Quote Originally Posted by maclean View Post
    Wasn't a marine, but our experiences were different.
    Indeed. The only discussions I remember being a party to were tactical discussions around the time of Somalia and later what would have been our second Gulf War when Sadaam stacked his troops along the Kuwaiti border after his first ass-whoopin'.

 

 
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