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09-23-09, 11:46 PM #1
Sen. Al Franken (D-Minn.) reads the Fourth Amendment to Justice Department official testifying to urge reauthorization of the Patriot Act
Just in case he wasn’t familiar with it, Sen. Al Franken (D-Minn.) decided to read the Fourth Amendment to the Constitution to David Kris, assistant attorney general of the Justice Department’s National Security Division, who was testifying to the Senate Judiciary Committee today to urge reauthorization of expiring provisions of the USA Patriot Act.
Franken, who opened by acknowledging that unlike most of his colleagues in the Senate, he’s not a lawyer, but according to his research “most Americans aren’t lawyers” either, said he’d also done research on the Patriot Act and in particular, the “roving wiretap” provision that allows the FBI to get a warrant to wiretap a an unnamed target and his or her various and changing cell phones, computers and other communication devices.
Noting that he received a copy of the Constitution when he was sworn in as a senator, he proceeded to read it to Kris, emphasizing this part: “no Warrants shall issue but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized.”
“That’s pretty explicit language,” noted Franken, asking Kris how the “roving wiretap” provision of the Patriot Act can meet that requirement if it doesn’t require the government to name its target.
Kris looked flustered and mumbled that “this is surreal,” apparently referring to having to respond to Franken’s question. “I would defer to the other branch of government,” he said, referring to the courts, prompting Franken to interject: “I know what that is.”
Kris explained that the courts have held that the law’s requirements that the person be described, though not named, is sufficient to meet the demands of the Constitution. That did not appear to completely satisfy Franken’s concerns.
Today’s Judiciary Committee hearing has so far proceeded much the way yesterday’s House Judiciary Committee subcommittee hearing did, with Democrats (except the Justice Department witness) expressing skepticism that the current law adequately protects Americans’ civil liberties and Republicans emphasizing the need to have all possible tools for law enforcement available because another major terrorist attack could occur at any time.
09-24-09, 02:16 AM #2
Al Franken , Hero of the People.SI VIS PACEM PARA BELLUM-Ex-Sheriff Martin Howe to Will Kane in "High Noon"
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09-24-09, 02:28 AM #3
This guy needs to be run over by a bus. I can't believe he's even in a position to pass judgment on this..."most Americans aren't lawyers?" Fuck a duck! Are you serious?? Yeah, most American's aren't eye surgeons either, but I'm not going around pretending to speak intelligently on the subject of lasering someone's fucking cornea!"If anything worthwhile comes of this tragedy, it should be the realization by every citizen that often the only thing that stands between them and losing everything they hold dear... is the man wearing a badge." -- Ronald Reagan, in the wake of the deaths of 4 CHP troopers in the Newhall Incident, 1970
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09-24-09, 02:40 AM #4
I'll take the opposite point today.
I think Franken is a retard, but I happen to agree with his interpretation of the fourth amendment requiring a person be named for a search warrant.I'm your huckleberry...
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09-24-09, 06:45 AM #5
Most American's aren't comedians... oh, wait.. neither is Al Franken, actually.
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09-24-09, 08:27 AM #6
10-26-09, 05:10 PM #7
See I am up in the air on this topic. I feel if any information that does not directly concern a pending or immediate threat to the nations safety is tapped it should not in any way shape or form be used or recorded by any agency.
That being said, if you are not a threat to this nations safety you need not be concerned is way to much of a blanket that would not even begin to cover this topic. Again up in the air its such a double edged blade.STOP RESISTING!!!!
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