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    The Middle East is afire with rebellion, Japan is imploding from an earthquake, and the battle of the budget is on in the United States, but none of this seems to be deterring President Obama from a heavy schedule of childish distractions.

    The newly installed tandem of White House Chief of Staff William Daley and Senior Adviser David Plouffe were supposed to impart a new sense of discipline and purpose to the White House. Instead, they are permitting him to showcase himself as a poorly focused leader who has his priorities backward.
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    Last I heard, we were sending aid to Japan. Secondly, we shouldn't always be getting involved in other peoples' political issues. We did that with Afghanistan in the 80's. That didn't turn out too well. It is not our job to police the world. Yes, those countries in the Mid East may end up with extremist govts, but if we decide to get involved with Libya, Egypt, Bahrain, and Saudi Arabia, where does it end? We are still fighting two wars and are short of manpower as it is. The US does not need to get into the middle of another. The Libyans will welcome US troops with open arms at first, until Gadafi is gone. Then, they will want the troops out, but we won't leave. The military will get bogged down, again because of sectarian violence and I'm sure Al Queda would not be far behind.

    There are more than enough problems here to worry about. Let other countries sort out their own messes. N. Korea is a much bigger problem and China is about to surpass the US in technology, especially militarily. That is where our focus should be. Not saying that the current administration is focusing on that, just saying that's where it should be.

    Yes, I did vote for Obama. Not because I'm a liberal or a Democrat (I don't vote along party lines or for perceived ideology). I voted for him because I hoped that he might try to change some of the ways that things are and have been done in Washington. I, by no means, whole heartedly agree with everything that Obama does. Actually, I have disagreed with him on numerous occasions. And actually would not have been upset if McCain had won, and strongly considered voting for him, but didn't for the aforementioned reasons.

    Could McCain be doing better? Don't know. Palin damn sure wouldn't be. (She's actually one of the main reasons I didn't vote for him) But what seems obvious is that people of certain political affiliations seem to disagree with everything that Obama and his administration does simply because he's a Dem. There are numerous instances in which the Dems have tried to pass legislation that, just a few years ago, Republicans were pushing for. But now, cause it's a Dem trying to pass certain bills, the Republicans are up in arms.

    I am not saying that Democrats are perfect and haven't made mistakes. Yes, I had plenty of criticism for Bush. But, to be fair, I did vote for him the first time. But, I didn't criticize everything that he did. The liberal media did that enough for everyone. Did I agree with going into Iraq? No. Do I think Bush handled Katrina properly? No. But I will give credit that I think that he handled 9/11 about as well as anyone could. Better than Clinton would have, IMO. I also think that if BUSH (not started by Obama) had not began to bail out some of the major banks, then we would have seen another great depression.

    Obama should be showing more attention to certain things, I will admit that. But, it seems like if he's not going to war with another country, or trying to preserve the tax breaks for the rich, Fox News and every other Republican criticizes him. It's just starting to get old.

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    I don't agree with much the man has done so far. I really don't want us to be in another war and I know that we are sending aid to Japan.

    The whole point, in my opinion, is the fact that his actions have caused him to appear apathetic and indecisive. He is not instilling confidence, he is not reassuring, and he is not conducting himself in a manner expected of the President of the United States.
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    Quote Originally Posted by McCrackhd View Post
    Last I heard, we were sending aid to Japan. Secondly, we shouldn't always be getting involved in other peoples' political issues. We did that with Afghanistan in the 80's. That didn't turn out too well. It is not our job to police the world. Yes, those countries in the Mid East may end up with extremist govts, but if we decide to get involved with Libya, Egypt, Bahrain, and Saudi Arabia, where does it end? We are still fighting two wars and are short of manpower as it is. The US does not need to get into the middle of another. The Libyans will welcome US troops with open arms at first, until Gadafi is gone. Then, they will want the troops out, but we won't leave. The military will get bogged down, again because of sectarian violence and I'm sure Al Queda would not be far behind.

    There are more than enough problems here to worry about. Let other countries sort out their own messes. N. Korea is a much bigger problem and China is about to surpass the US in technology, especially militarily. That is where our focus should be. Not saying that the current administration is focusing on that, just saying that's where it should be.

    Yes, I did vote for Obama. Not because I'm a liberal or a Democrat (I don't vote along party lines or for perceived ideology). I voted for him because I hoped that he might try to change some of the ways that things are and have been done in Washington. I, by no means, whole heartedly agree with everything that Obama does. Actually, I have disagreed with him on numerous occasions. And actually would not have been upset if McCain had won, and strongly considered voting for him, but didn't for the aforementioned reasons.

    Could McCain be doing better? Don't know. Palin damn sure wouldn't be. (She's actually one of the main reasons I didn't vote for him) But what seems obvious is that people of certain political affiliations seem to disagree with everything that Obama and his administration does simply because he's a Dem. There are numerous instances in which the Dems have tried to pass legislation that, just a few years ago, Republicans were pushing for. But now, cause it's a Dem trying to pass certain bills, the Republicans are up in arms.

    I am not saying that Democrats are perfect and haven't made mistakes. Yes, I had plenty of criticism for Bush. But, to be fair, I did vote for him the first time. But, I didn't criticize everything that he did. The liberal media did that enough for everyone. Did I agree with going into Iraq? No. Do I think Bush handled Katrina properly? No. But I will give credit that I think that he handled 9/11 about as well as anyone could. Better than Clinton would have, IMO. I also think that if BUSH (not started by Obama) had not began to bail out some of the major banks, then we would have seen another great depression.

    Obama should be showing more attention to certain things, I will admit that. But, it seems like if he's not going to war with another country, or trying to preserve the tax breaks for the rich, Fox News and every other Republican criticizes him. It's just starting to get old.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cidp24 View Post
    I don't agree with much the man has done so far. I really don't want us to be in another war and I know that we are sending aid to Japan.

    The whole point, in my opinion, is the fact that his actions have caused him to appear apathetic and indecisive. He is not instilling confidence, he is not reassuring, and he is not conducting himself in a manner expected of the President of the United States.
    Kinda like when Bush ran off to his ranch every other weekend? Or the blank look on his face on 9/11?

    I think the difference is that, in the past, presidents did not have nowhere near the media coverage (including internet) that there is today. I would be willing to bet (with the exception of FDR) that most presidents have not given 100% attention to world events. Of course, that excludes situations like Gulf of Tonkin and Cuban Missile Crisis (yes, I know that that was JFK).

    I feel like the President of the United States has so much pressure on him/her that they would need to do other things besides concentrate all the time on world events. Just my opinion. But, what would you want Obama to do about Libya? Go in there with the handful of reserves we have left and kick a hornet's nest?? We already have tens of thousands of troops in Japan that I'm sure are helping with security and evacuations.


    And yes, I'm sure Bush had plenty of brainstorming sessions at his ranch in TX. I'm not that naive. So, it's not a "I back Obama blindly" thing.

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    Let me start by saying that as far as current politics go I think that the Democratic party is a party of bad ideas and the Republican party is a party of no ideas.


    With that said I think Obama has done an awful job so far and its amazing that more Democrats arent mad as hell over it. Towards the end of Bush's term he pushed for some reforms that cost somewhere around $400billion dollars (if i remember correctly). Democrats went ballistic over this and how he was adding to the national debt etc. Obama comes in and has spent Trillions of dollars and has tripled the national debt, but not a peep from the Democrats. Why is that exactly?

    Obama and every Democrat critized Bush for Guantanamo prison and Obama promised to shut it down as one of his first acts, yet its still open because he sees the need for it, but not a peep.

    These are just two examples and it shows that the Democrats are just as bad as the Republicans, both parties need to get back to whats best for the people and less whats best for them and their donors. Im so fed up with the politics of this country, I wish the recall of the county Mayor and Commissioner that just happened here catches on across the country and wakes these people up.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BigDawg View Post
    Let me start by saying that as far as current politics go I think that the Democratic party is a party of bad ideas and the Republican party is a party of no ideas.


    With that said I think Obama has done an awful job so far and its amazing that more Democrats arent mad as hell over it. Towards the end of Bush's term he pushed for some reforms that cost somewhere around $400billion dollars (if i remember correctly). Democrats went ballistic over this and how he was adding to the national debt etc. Obama comes in and has spent Trillions of dollars and has tripled the national debt, but not a peep from the Democrats. Why is that exactly?

    Obama and every Democrat critized Bush for Guantanamo prison and Obama promised to shut it down as one of his first acts, yet its still open because he sees the need for it, but not a peep.

    These are just two examples and it shows that the Democrats are just as bad as the Republicans, both parties need to get back to whats best for the people and less whats best for them and their donors. Im so fed up with the politics of this country, I wish the recall of the county Mayor and Commissioner that just happened here catches on across the country and wakes these people up.

    These points, I will not argue.
    But, I do ponder what YOU what have them do with Guantanamo-out of curiosity and conversation sake. Not meant in a critical manner, at all.

    I do feel, personally, that it is unlawful to hold people indefinately without trial. Not taking up for the shitbags. But, if they had enough evidence to arrest them and send them to Gitmo, then they should put them on trial. That, I think, would go a long way in our foreign image.
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    me and Jenna finally have an ally in McCrackhead!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!

    Do I think Obama is doing a super terrific job? No...there are things I disagree with him on (waiting forever on DADT? CIVIL RIGHTS for all, baby!). But childish distractions? Like the 8 minutes he spent on making a NCAA touney bracket? Come on...you can tell he barely spent any time on it..HE PICKED ALL #1 SEEDS TO MAKE IT TO THE FINAL FOUR! If anything, criticize him for being lazy with his picks!

    He's waited on Libya, but apparently not anymore...from what I understand military intervention is next. What else should he do? He waited to see if opposition to Gadhafi would mount a challenge (and they did fairly well...opposition in MiG's did some damage the other day, according to something I read on CNN), but since they're losing ground, the US and a coalition is considering a no-fly zone (complete with taking out Libyan AA defenses).

    And I don't recall any democrats criticizing W for TARP. I think they should be pumping more into the stimulus, personally. I don't have the numbers in front of me right now (and I've been drinking), but there have been quite a few consecutive months of private sector job growth. Not as much as was expected, but some is better than a shit-ton of consecutive months of job loss (the end of 2008, start of 2009).
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    Quote Originally Posted by McCrackhd View Post
    Disclaimer: None of my rants are directed at any one particular person on here. Especially not you, Xiphos (cool ass name btw). You know I love you no matter what.
    I just posted it to make some interesting discussion. I'm not a Bush fan but I'm definitely not an Obama fan either.

    Most past presidents were content to "vacation" quietly at Camp David, or someplace like the Bush ranch in Texas, or their home in Santa Barbara. The difference with Obama are the public vacations in the media spotlight. Even if he is spending the same amount of time on vacation, past presidents were much more low key -choosing working retreats in quiet. This guy's a narcissist who wants to be fawned over by the media while eating ice cream cones and wearing flip flops. He wants the media to leave his kids alone but drags them out for photo ops every chance he gets. (And no, "Media Whore" McCain wouldn't do any better.) His idea of leadership is to declare himself to be a modern Ronald Reagan and call himself "The Gipper." Even his own administration is frustrated at his dithering and lack of leadership.

    As a fellow law enforcer I know you know what it's like to be in the fish bowl. Take something as simple as everyone on the shift meeting in one spot to eat for 30 minutes. Sure we're all available for calls, and we're entitled to a brief break, but we all know the negative public perception of us when we do it.That's why most command staff will pitch a fit when they see it. Obama doesn't give off the perception of leadership, or someone who is in charge in action either. He's the captain of a rudderless ship. There is no global or economic leadership here.

    Don't mistake me for a fan of the GOP either. I have not called myself a Republican for over 15 years. There has been a distinct lack of leadership there.The GOP had a majority in Congress and the White House with Bush a few years ago. They had the opportunity to implement government and economic reform and they chose not to which is one reason why the Tea Party movement has become so popular.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bob Loblaw View Post
    me and Jenna finally have an ally in McCrackhead!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!

    Do I think Obama is doing a super terrific job? No...there are things I disagree with him on (waiting forever on DADT? CIVIL RIGHTS for all, baby!). But childish distractions? Like the 8 minutes he spent on making a NCAA touney bracket? Come on...you can tell he barely spent any time on it..HE PICKED ALL #1 SEEDS TO MAKE IT TO THE FINAL FOUR! If anything, criticize him for being lazy with his picks!

    He's waited on Libya, but apparently not anymore...from what I understand military intervention is next. What else should he do? He waited to see if opposition to Gadhafi would mount a challenge (and they did fairly well...opposition in MiG's did some damage the other day, according to something I read on CNN), but since they're losing ground, the US and a coalition is considering a no-fly zone (complete with taking out Libyan AA defenses).

    And I don't recall any democrats criticizing W for TARP. I think they should be pumping more into the stimulus, personally. I don't have the numbers in front of me right now (and I've been drinking), but there have been quite a few consecutive months of private sector job growth. Not as much as was expected, but some is better than a shit-ton of consecutive months of job loss (the end of 2008, start of 2009).
    +1

    Obama actually turned out less progressive than I had hoped--I wish he had pushed harder for medicare for all, or at least a public option in his healthcare plan, and come up with a better plan for reforming education than "Race to the Top." A lot of progressives are criticizing Obama and saying he is the same as Bush now (it looks like half the people on the Daily Kos site want to replace Obama with someone more progressive in the next primary). But then again, perhaps his centrist moves are a sign of competence and respect for the role of the President as someone who has to represent a compromise between all the interests in the country rather than just the people who voted for him. At any rate, he is a lot more competent than W. Bush. And I don't care what either of them did in their downtime (even Presidents need downtime to be able to function); it's their policies that count.

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    It is quite clear to me that we should not take military action against anyone unless we are directly attacked. We , as a people, are more interested in fighing among ourselves than we are in being involved in anymore foreign entanglements. If we can't solve a problem within an hour , including commericials we lose interest. We no longer have the stomach and resolve to complete any action. Let the UN (without us) solve the world's problems and fight for the freedom of oppressed people everywhere. Haven't we sacrifice enough American blood fighting tyranny all over this small little globe ?
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    I'm all for us just dropping weapons and ammo everywhere in Libya. I don't think either side is our friend.

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    I will admit, toughly, that I do not have a big problem with the "No fly zone". I think that that evens the playing field between the two sides. But I am definately against troops on the ground. If we are going to put troops on the ground, there are more than enough countries in Africa where actual genocide is being waged. I have felt for a long time that, us and Europe (especially) should be more involved in the civil wars in Africa. Europe basically created the mess, there, with colonialism. But, if the US is going to fight for freedom someplace, how about someplace that's not full of oil. Maybe then other countries would more readily back us because it's the right thing to do.

    Furthermore, how about kicking Israel in the ass. Yes, I know that the PLO and Hamas are terror groups. I WILL NOT argue that. But, I do feel like some of the blame does go towards Israel for their continued encroachment into Palestinean areas and the concentration camp atmosphere in Gaza. How do they expect people to react when they treat the entire populace like prisoners??
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    Well since there appears to be no uproar at us being involved in Libya I wonder if Bush would have been so harshly judged if we had invaded Iraq as a humanitarian crusade instead of that stupid WMD approach. Apparently it's ok for Obama to do it. As if we didn't have enough to bother with right here at home. Yeah I said it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by lewisipso View Post
    Well since there appears to be no uproar at us being involved in Libya I wonder if Bush would have been so harshly judged if we had invaded Iraq as a humanitarian crusade instead of that stupid WMD approach. Apparently it's ok for Obama to do it. As if we didn't have enough to bother with right here at home. Yeah I said it.
    If you'll remember, Bush wasn't "harshly judged" about his decision to go into Iraq until we found out that the pretext of "looking for WMDs that were there" was an outright lie. Then the people got pretty pissed.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bob Loblaw View Post
    If you'll remember, Bush wasn't "harshly judged" about his decision to go into Iraq until we found out that the pretext of "looking for WMDs that were there" was an outright lie. Then the people got pretty pissed.



    C'mon Bobby... we had more reason to nail Saddam's ass to a wall than we have for taking part in this fiasco. WMD's weren't found in Iraq? Then I guess the sale of 550 Metric tons of yellow cake tagged 100 miles North of Baghdad also never took place and the aluminum centrifuge tubes intercepted were to be cut into horse troughs. The lame-brain media has done your job for you long ago, there's no use trying to 'splain it all again. Lucy gets it.

    Hell, for that matter, if we want to claim "humanitarian" causes, I suppose Chemical Ali got his name from selling Mr. Clean to housewives. Do us all a favor, Bobby. Switch off CNN long enough to Google Halabja or the Al-Anfal Campaign and quit drooling over your nude picture of Ariana Huffington.

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    The decision to go into any country with military action is not the responsibility of the POTUS alone. Regardless of how I feel about the president, any of them, I cannot hold them solely responsible for what I think may be a bad decision.

    Going to sorta disagree with that. The President is the Commander in Chief of the Armed Forces. Congress can declare war, but where their real check comes into play is the funding of military operations.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bob Loblaw View Post
    If you'll remember, Bush wasn't "harshly judged" about his decision to go into Iraq until we found out that the pretext of "looking for WMDs that were there" was an outright lie. Then the people got pretty pissed.
    This is my point exactly. Would it have never been an issue if Bush did there what Obama is doing now? Wasn't a fan of it then, I'm not a fan of it now. The "WMD's" were fictitious but the atrocities levied against his own people were not.
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    Quote Originally Posted by lewisipso View Post
    This is my point exactly. Would it have never been an issue if Bush did there what Obama is doing now? Wasn't a fan of it then, I'm not a fan of it now. The "WMD's" were fictitious but the atrocities levied against his own people were not.
    Oh for pete's sake... et tu Lewie?

    The atrocities were committed mostly using ... (wait for it) weapons of mass destruction.

    Don't take my words for it, by all means, just read...


    The Anfal campaign began in 1986 and lasted until 1989, and was headed by Ali Hassan al-Majid (a cousin of then Iraqi leader Saddam Hussein from Saddam's hometown of Tikrit). The Anfal campaign included the use of ground offensives, aerial bombing, systematic destruction of settlements, mass deportation, firing squads, and chemical warfare, which earned al-Majid the nickname of "Chemical Ali".

    Thousands of civilians were killed during the anti-insurgent campaigns stretching from the spring of 1987 through the fall of 1988. The attacks were part of a long-standing campaign that destroyed almost every Kurdish village in areas of northern Iraq where pro-Iranian insurgents were based and displaced at least a million of the country's estimated 3.5 million Kurdish population. Independent sources estimate 100,000 to more than 150,000 deaths and as many as 100,000 widows and an even greater number of orphans. Amnesty International collected the names of more than 17,000 people who had "disappeared" during 1988. The campaign has been characterized as genocidal in nature. It is also characterized as gendercidal because "battle-age" men were the primary targets, according to Human Rights Watch.

    According to the Iraqi prosecutors, as many as 180,000 people were killed.

    Source: Al-Anfal Campaign: Facts, Discussion Forum, and Encyclopedia Article
    I don't think for a second that Gadaffi has quite reached the 180,000 bodycount... and there's certainly more:


    The Attack on Halabja

    The poison gas attack on the Iraqi town of Halabja was the largest-scale chemical weapons (CW) attack against a civilian population in modern times. Halabja was a bustling city in Northern Iraq with a population that was predominantly Kurdish and had sympathized with Iran during the Iran-Iraq war in the 1980s. The population at the time of the attack was about 80,000 people. Troops from the Kurdish Patriotic Union of Kurdistan (PUK) entered Halabja on 15th March 1988 amidst heavy resistance from Iraqi security
    and military forces.

    Halabja fell to the PUK troops (accompanied by Iranian revolutionary guards) four hours later. The Iraqis responded with heavy artillery fire and an early wave of six aircraft bombarded an area near Halabja with ordinary high explosives. The civilians had been prevented from leaving the town by the PUK, hoping that the Iraqis would not attack a town with civilians in it ? thus providing a human shield.

    The CW attack began early in the evening of March 16th, when a group of eight aircraft began dropping chemical bombs, and the chemical bombardment continued all night. According to Kurdish commanders on the scene, there were 14 aircraft sorties during the night, with seven to eight planes in each group, and they concentrated their attack on the city and all the roads leading out of Halabja. The chemical attacks continued until the 19th. Iraqi planes would attack for about 45 minutes and then, after they had gone, another group would appear 15 minutes later.

    This was not the first chemical attack by Saddam Hussein. Previous attacks had been launched by Iraqi aircraft against 20 small villages in 1987. However, the scale and intensity of the chemical campaign against Halabja was entirely different? This was the first time that chemical weapons had been used on a major civilian population of this size. The victims of the attack included women, children and the elderly.

    Saddam Hussein’s Chemical "Cocktail"
    There is something else that sets Halabja apart from other known chemical weapons attacks?including the Aum Shinrikyo attack on the Tokyo subway in 1995. The Halabja attack involved multiple chemical agents, including mustard gas, and the nerve agents SARIN, TABUN and VX. Some sources report that cyanide was also used. It may be that an impure form of TABUN, which has a cyanide residue, released the cyanide compound. Most attempts directed to developing strategies against chemical or biological weapons have been directed towards a single threat. The attack on Halabja illustrates the importance of careful tactical planning directed towards more than one agent, and specific knowledge about the effects of each of the agents.

    The demands of developing effective treatment regimes for children, the elderly and infirmed are daunting. And the task is ever more daunting when having to treat a chemical weapons "cocktail."
    Saddam Hussein clearly intended to complicate the task of treating the Halabja victims. At a minimum, he was using Halabja as part of the Iraqi CW test program. Handbooks for doctors in Iraqi military show sophisticated medical knowledge of the effects of CW. The Iraqi military used mustard gas in the "cocktail" for which there is no defense or antidote. And it is also worth noting that Saddam did not use the nerve agent SOMAN. This is noteworthy because it shows that Hussein’s experts were also well aware that pyridostigmine bromide?one of the chief treatments against nerve agent?is relatively ineffective against TABUN, SARIN and VX, but highly effective against SOMAN when given as a preventive.

    Source: The 1988 Chemical Weapons Attack on Halabja, Iraq - Promotion
    Let's not forget...

    The United States secretly shipped hundreds of tons of uranium from Iraq to a customer in Canada on the request of Baghdad, a spokesman for the Pentagon has said.
    About 550 metric tonnes of yellow cake uranium was moved to Baghdad's fortified Green Zone before being flown to a third country, where it was then shipped to Canada, Bryan Whitman said.

    "The operation was completed over the weekend, on Saturday," Whitman said.

    The uranium was found by US troops after the 2003 US invasion of Iraq at the Tuwaitha Nuclear Research Facility south of Baghdad.
    It was placed under the control of the International Atomic Energy Agency (IAEA).

    Source: http://english.aljazeera.net/news/mi...165610303.html
    So, how many effective nuclear devices can reasonably be created from the refined U235 processed from 550 metric tons of yellow cake? Only 142, that's all. The "forged" memo, detailing the topics of the meeting between Hussein's folks and Nigerian diplomats? There is no question whatsoever that the meeting actually did take place, only the intelligence from the 'memo' was tainted. Of course, being as Niger exports livestock, peas, and a few sundries aside from its largest export - uranium, that could certainly lead us to believe that Saddam had an affinity for some African form of Humus, right?

    Of course, CIA intelligence has now been discounted that the (restricted grade) high-tensile aluminum tubes intercepted by Jordan on their way to Iraq were indeed not for the purposes of enriching the above materials to extract U235. I suppose they were actually for the purpose of making special bongs as tribute gifts for Afghani warlords... Please, any buffoon at this point who denies that WMD's were present in Iraq throughout Hussein's regime is in absolute and utter denial of fact.

    Please... wake up. You are being decieved, and it doesn't take the likes of Jessie Ventura to discover it. The only ( and I mean o n l y) common denominator between Bush's invasion of Iraq and this Libyan fiasco is a UN Resolution. With regard to Libya, there are two: (1970 and 1973), for Iraq there were 71, yes... seventy-one individual resolutions adopted by the UN, and the authorizations for force were adopted unanimously.

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